一些语言学习方法--与台湾多语者Alex Shen的访谈

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一些语言学习方法--与台湾多语者Alex Shen的访谈

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哈喽大家好

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又来到多阳的小时间喽

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今天我邀请的这位同学呢是逸扬

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对不对

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是逸扬哈对

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嗯我邀请逸扬呢他是从对岸来的同学

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然后他的年纪呢

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只就就是等于台湾的

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过中八年节这是初中八年级的意思

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初中二年级过二好

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所以我邀请他来了

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就是因为

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我在网络上看到他办那个网络活动

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然后就是可以跟他聚大大聚会

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然后他说哇这个人也太成熟了吧

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就邀请了很多世界各地不一样的人

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想要学中文的

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想要学英文的

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然后一起来这边

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呃参加那个网络的润的会议

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然后让大家也可以练习中文

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也可以练习英文这样子

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然后我那个时候看到他的履历

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跟经历的时候

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就是哇塞

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怎么那么年轻就可以这么高的成就了

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你知道吗

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然后就是我一定要也访问他

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所以今天我们就访问到这个

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语言神人啊

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真的是好 jerry

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欢迎你哦

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哈哈等下谢谢谢谢瘦腰今天来我也是

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很荣幸啊我觉得很

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好像没以前没有怎么做过这种访谈

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或者是说闲聊的podcast节目

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然后这个也算是一个很新的经验啊

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然后对我来说

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好像确实有一点点

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不记得 alex 你是什么时候

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去那个语言角了

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反正你那个语言交换

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人真的超级多的

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所以你不会记得每个人的长相

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而且大部分时间我其实只会把那个

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镜头关起来省电

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哈哈啊就是嘛

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罪魁祸首原来是你啊为什么我觉得

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那么多时间关摄像头

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哎能省电啊对不对哈哈

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好对

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就是那个时候就遇到你然后你有

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然后我就知道说你的经历就是

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你从小就在那边长大吗

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对不对你没有去过国外啊

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对啊所以我就很好奇说

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你到底是怎么学习的

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啊关于学语言的这个方式

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对其实我从小就是在西安长大的

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嗯就是西安嘛哦

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here called warriors 兵马俑那个地方

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不知道大家有没有去过

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嗯不过呃在这边的话确实

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嗯整个好像语言学习的

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呃这系统呀什么的当然都没有

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北上广深

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北上广深那边

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完善呃还有一个就是这边资源呀

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像外教之类的当然也比较少

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不过当然不是说学语言-----------------------------------------------------

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就是肯定需要外教的

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只不过是

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说一下好像我要解释一下

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用外教的不好意思让我解释一下

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外教就是外外语教学

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外语对对

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因为这边会有点听不太懂

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嗯请继续啊嗯

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对我就是想看一下

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呃外教的数量和这个地方大概

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元金教学他的完善程度

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有没有一个 qualmish 有没有一个

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这样的大概联系对对啊

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不过说实话的话西安这边当然

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这这个也是不是特别发达的

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我从小啊其实我妈是

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英语老师

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但是然后他对我这语言

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学习当然也有很大的帮助

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所以说给一个沙雕了解

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然后我爸这边的话

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虽然他好像不是英语老师

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但是也算是一个

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反正他现在自称的语言教练

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所以这两次成长

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然后他在镜头里面出现

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哈哈哈啊有吗对

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就是他有时候就会在你

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办那个活动的时候

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然后他就在旁边就跟你讲对

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对其实我这边还有一个电脑

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因为有时候就会需要切换一下

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我有时候在教课

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但是还得管理组里面的一些分组问题

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所以就需要两个电脑

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他一般就在左边电脑播了我了解了 ok

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然后我那个时候就会看到说你们两

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你们两个的那个互动啊

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然后我就会想说哎那到底是谁去

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买那个 mida 的那个

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对那个是不是要会员呢

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会员不是要钱吗

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是是然后当时反正整个想法

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也是帮助大家锻炼自己的能力嘛

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所以当时这也算是搞一个公益活动的

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当然会员一个月也不是特别贵

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所以就开始买了

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后来你知道吗

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迷上其实那个非常有意思的

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他还有一个 pro

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然后也不知道他那个怎么搞的

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就是超级贵

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贵啊

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可是他就是很多的功能可以那个嘛

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就很多对他有一个 pro

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还有一个普通版本的

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其实我也没有太搞清楚啊

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现在三个足够用就这样了

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好了解好

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所以就把帮忙帮忙出钱的

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ok

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那不知道啥时候才会带给

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我的压岁钱 reserve

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哈哈哈哈

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什么时候会用到自己的那个

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你现在犯这样子开心吗

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嗯挺开心的

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我觉得我从最开始第一场

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就是他汗淋漓

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感觉

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整个啊10分钟之后就像洗了三次澡

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身上

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每一个细胞里面都冲水的那种感觉

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到现在基本上根本不会紧张

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确实有很大的进步而且我其实是从

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紧张到不紧张

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然后再到现在更加自如一些

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中间还是一个很大的转变的

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因为不紧张不代表就办的好了----------------------------------------------------------

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所以整整个这心里路程

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咱们还是到第三个话题的时候

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再倒好了吧好

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你说你说好

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那你本身

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这样子就是爸爸妈妈

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你说我帮帮你语言学习吗

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对那你自己本身

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采用的语言学习方式是什么

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啊语言学习的方式现在国内有很多

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我当时其实呃

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呃不知道大家知道不知道

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现在也顺便提出来一下

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啊我是一个 polyglop

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就是算是多多语者吧

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中文英文但是中文说过的母语英文

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真的我也学了很长时间了

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然后接下来就学的是西语和法语

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这个是有一个 sending order

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就是学习时间最长到最短

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其实学这四门语言的方式都不一样的

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呃像中文的话

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大家都是以谋语者的角度去看我们

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因为这个

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讨论这个话题

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对我们以后讨论怎么

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怎么学其他语言有帮助

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所以我们先提一下

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就是学中文的时候呢

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当然我都是在强保中的小 baby-----------------------------------------------------------

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然后开始接触这个新世界

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啊肯定会有很多人来跟说话----------------------------------------------------------------

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说话-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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在听和学的过程当中慢慢的进步-----------------------------------------------------------

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想一想---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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三四年级的时候---------------------------------------------------------------------

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肯定语言水平是没有相当好的

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一二年级的时候有可能才刚学

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说话不是特别久两三年吧

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所以我觉得语言学习很多时候

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也就是这个样子的

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他很多时候是需要很多 impot

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所以你以前有很多 input

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有很多很多 impot 输入

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是不是就是让自己就是听很多

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读很多这样子

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是因为啊我不太清楚台湾那边的情况

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但是大陆这边的话好像

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啊反正肯定都是应试教育

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然后都是专注于读写之类的所以

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啊就是这边也是一样就是读写比较

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至主要然后

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你说的 input 就是很重要的

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啊就是大家一直听一直读

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一直听一直读

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然后慢慢的会嘛

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对对对啊那个其实是一种比较

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specific 的方式了

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就是那个好像我记得就跟读嘛

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然后有一个叫做 shadowing

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这个说法

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对啊沙豆你就沙豆那个

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我我不知道这个是不是是一

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个大家都通用的说法

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但是有一次听一个朋友说这个沙豆味

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然后就这么说了

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哈哈哈

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在台湾这边会讲他说影子模仿法

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对对对然后这两天不是然后突然在

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呃看到了一个史嘉林的视频吗

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他说的那个回音

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然后大家看了一下对对对

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对然后我其实听他说我好像

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呃心里面在想

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哎这个回音法和这个沙的问题之间

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到底多了一层什么

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然后它里面不是提到了一个什么

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算了这块也不是如说了

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因为我只看了一点

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也许啊就该想啊是该讲的没错

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对对那块好像说是

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啊就是说

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他意思是你听到一句话

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比如说 alex 你说一句

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are you okay and then

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我的脑子里面

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就会再浮现出用 alex 的声音的

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一个句子

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然后再等于说重复一遍

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然后这个之后再去跟读它----------------------------------------------------------------

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它里说这样的效果会非常好

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但是这个也就是跟我刚刚

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说的 input 有一定的关系了

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对不过这样的话他是主动的

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还要 output 的一下

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但这样当然更有效

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不过我小时候

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想吗一个七八岁的

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小孩子哪里想哎这个天天泡到

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呃这个英语学习中

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当然是很多时候还是当然有我爸妈的

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帮助的帮助的是是是

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一定是

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他们就会帮你放很多环境进去的

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哈哈哈嗯对

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然后当时其实我的输出较少

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然后很多时候是输入

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就是说

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比如说像看一些影视剧啊什么的

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哦啊对

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然后我记得当时我们有几个规则

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一个就是说

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刚学习的时候就不要看新闻了---------------------------------------------------------

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我看到很多

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国内的朋友都

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是说一开始就去看什么美国打片

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看什么啊新 n bbc 啥的

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然后根本看不懂然后后来就慢慢哎

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然后一直自责说我不行

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然后就就放弃了上学了对不对

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然后我觉得这样当然是不太可取的

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最开始当然要从简单的内容开始

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而且要是从零开始的话------------------------------------------------------------

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从基本上最简单的------------------------------------------------------------------

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都听不懂----------------------------------------------------------------------

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所以那样的话

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这个起步也是非常重要的

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嗯啊不确实我开始也就是

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看一些电影外电视剧

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然后后来就是从简单到复杂看看看看

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然后最后听力这边

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这方面练好了之后自动也会

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带带走自己的

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或者带一带自己的

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这阅读方面的因为你知道吧

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我记得我阅读的第一本英文小说

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这是哈利波特纯英

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纯英的对

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因为我当时

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就是说以前还真的没有读过英文小说

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啊突然就是有一天哎

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哈利波特啊感觉得看一看

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好像也是因为一个朋友突然

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提起来了吧

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哦不对对对对我

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我记得是我们班上有一个同学

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他看拿了本中文的哈利波特

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然后我看了

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觉得哎好像这个故事似曾相识

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我不知道是原来看过电影还是啥

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然后说我该看本英文的哈利波特了

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啊然后就开始看

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结果基本上就没有难度了

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因为当时听已经练好了

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阅读方面的话问题就不是很大了

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还有一个阅读啊就是是看电影的时候

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最好不要看字幕

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最好不要看字幕真的假的

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你是说中文字幕吗

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啊中文的英文的也是中文的

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当然肯定不要看了

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因为看看中文字幕的话

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那当然

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呃现在我觉得现在不是很多电视剧剧

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综艺演他直接就会把字幕打上上去

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我相信大家在看这些影视剧的时候

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很多时候都是把字幕扫完了

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然后再听见那个

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声音的

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所以这个时候我们中文的阅读理解

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是比挺快爱的

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那么肯定中文的阅读理解比

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英文的挺当然更快了

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这样先看中文字母的话就会覆盖掉

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冲掉

331
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掉一些东西吗

332
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所以肯定就是有需要先去听

333
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然后即便是英文字幕

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我相信大家

335
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啊有可能已经有一定的英文基础了

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所以肯定就是选择先去看字幕嘛

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然后一看字幕的话练的还是的阅读--------------------------------------------------

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当然听力也会有那么一点点进步

339
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但是这样就很慢了

340
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所以我的建议还是要是想----------------------------------------------------------

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采取这种纯音不对的方法的话

342
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还是得从简单的无字幕的方法呃做起

343
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当然后来的话你

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这个是一个

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christenable practice

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但是以后有可能还可以边看字幕呀---------------------------------------------------------

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学习新的词汇

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不过影视剧中的词汇

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哎呀一般到一个级别就

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停止了要是真的想当

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继续深挖的话我就觉得

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就是另啊

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就是另外面试了我现在

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也想再增加我的英文词汇量嘛

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然后就有可能通过阅读啊啥的

356
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虽然我这个方面也没有任何方法

357
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就是喜欢阅读书而已

358
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对对对 ok 真的是很棒耶

359
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很大很多的那种舒舒舒静的样子

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让自己一直一直听跟读

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然后就可以获得很多的收获

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是然后我不知道阿拉丁你注意到没有

364
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其实我最近

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因为进入学校吗学校到的是

366
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很杂即便是经过双检之后有的学校

367
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就不点名了还在啊周六还在补课啊

368
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正常啊哈哈哈哈对

369
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然然后重点就不可以

370
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重点的作业还有很多对

371
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就是晚上那种一放学啊

372
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就是现在不是加了晚自习吗

373
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自习回来了之后把作业做完

374
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基本上就该睡觉了

375
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对对对对我听说就是这样子模式

376
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这样子操点着对

377
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其实双点之前

378
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听说啊他们好像比这个更加

379
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卷然后现在有一些学霸

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还是晚上十一二点才睡的那种

381
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不过双简是只说那个

382
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国中到高中的简定是吗

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就是那个

384
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啊不双简应该是高中他还是不管的

385
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好像他这个只管九年义务教育

386
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哦哦哦就剪定就对了

387
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你是要准备一个剪定

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哦了解

390
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那你你问你这样子的时间是怎么调的

391
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你怎么有办法还这样子学的要发文跟

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是德文吗

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对啊

394
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这个就是另一段故事了

395
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不过我那个还是专门抽时间呃去搞的

396
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所以就是真的

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我觉得学艺员这个东西啊

398
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有很多人说从小时候开始最好

399
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那当然是因为小时候

400
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的话我好像听过有一个 study

401
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就是说的脑子在大概三岁之后就----------------------------------------------------

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接受不到新的

403
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向左还是啥我不太清楚了

404
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但是肯定长得越大年龄越大---------------------------------------------------------

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自己的母-----------------------------------------------------------------

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语就会对的影响越来越大--------------------------------------------------

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对然后后来以致

408
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已经有点------------------------------------------------------------------

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听不到其他语言中那些特殊的音了

410
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哦这个

411
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而且还有一个原因就是说长大了-------------------------------------------------------

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像啊大陆这边的话到--------------------------------------------------------------------

413
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啊初中高中就根本没有时间了

414
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这也这个也是一个非常重要的因素

415
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嗯对

416
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这是真的

417
00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:33,333
台湾演示对

418
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哈哈哈

419
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对这超忙啊是吧

420
00:14:37,433 --> 00:14:39,233
只要上了国中之后

421
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全部都是忙碌的人生

422
00:14:41,700 --> 00:14:43,666
那假装学什么语言是怎么可能啊

423
00:14:43,666 --> 00:14:44,466
你不觉得吗

424
00:14:44,866 --> 00:14:46,300
然后再来是

425
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你觉得为什么你会喜欢语言呢

426
00:14:49,566 --> 00:14:51,666
就是你就算从小被音铺

427
00:14:51,733 --> 00:14:54,900
台湾很多人都是从小就被一直灌输啊

428
00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:57,600
就是你要听要读听要读要听要读

429
00:14:57,700 --> 00:14:59,733
很多到最后还是变成哼英文啊

430
00:14:59,933 --> 00:15:01,433
那你怎么会喜欢上呢

431
00:15:03,266 --> 00:15:03,933


432
00:15:03,933 --> 00:15:06,300
首先我先补充一个刚刚上一个问题

433
00:15:06,300 --> 00:15:08,600
就是说学学员的方式

434
00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,566
其实我还想补充一个

435
00:15:10,566 --> 00:15:12,633
就是从最开始的话应该

436
00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,400
啊就是说给自己预设一个高度吧

437
00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,966
就是说语言到底想学到什么样子

438
00:15:18,966 --> 00:15:21,200
因为我们最开始就是给自己定的

439
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目标是

440
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母语级别的就是说最高级的那种

441
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所以后来才花了这么多心血

442
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啊去学这些东西

443
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不过我觉得很多人

444
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现在应试教育

445
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其实

446
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很多人也不是说特别想学英文啊

447
00:15:37,133 --> 00:15:38,633
所以嗯

448
00:15:39,366 --> 00:15:41,266
就算是只是英文是教育

449
00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,000
那也没有太大的问题

450
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因为他们最开始那个目标就不是

451
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特别的就是没有想

452
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着去啊达到这个级别

453
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因为这个级别

454
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我觉得我也不是说特别想啊

455
00:15:54,300 --> 00:15:57,000
把比如说数学学到大专级别呀

456
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因为好像有可能我对数学的这个

457
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兴趣没有那么深厚

458
00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:02,666
当然只是举一个

459
00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,500
一组个人还是挺喜欢数学

460
00:16:04,666 --> 00:16:05,466


461
00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,666
你还能想起数学但是完全跟我相反了

462
00:16:08,866 --> 00:16:09,666
哈哈哈

463
00:16:10,266 --> 00:16:11,066
数学

464
00:16:12,533 --> 00:16:16,333
啊那你自己为什么会觉得文科好嘞

465
00:16:16,333 --> 00:16:17,800
那你既然有数学的话

466
00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,133
像我们这边就觉得说

467
00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:20,433
啊我数学很好

468
00:16:20,466 --> 00:16:23,000
我就可以用那些公式啊直接套进去

469
00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,133
就不用像语言这样子

470
00:16:24,133 --> 00:16:26,466
每天都要只实践跟付出

471
00:16:28,333 --> 00:16:29,966
那你原本很现实啊

472
00:16:29,966 --> 00:16:32,333
就是你每天一定要碰你才会进步吗

473
00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,700
但是数学不一样是你只要会一个呃

474
00:16:36,033 --> 00:16:39,233
技巧然后跟只要记住那个公式

475
00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:41,300
你就可以全部都套用这样子

476
00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:43,600
所以很多学数学人就会觉得说

477
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,000
哎我只要会一个公司

478
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,900
我就给套全部拿上英文啊

479
00:16:46,900 --> 00:16:48,300
就每天拿背单词

480
00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:50,733
哼我这名叫单词的

481
00:16:50,966 --> 00:16:52,066
嗯啊

482
00:16:52,366 --> 00:16:55,433
我个人是觉得妈妈这个所谓的技巧

483
00:16:55,433 --> 00:16:57,600
在语言中确实很多时候

484
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,866
但是技巧和方法我这块是稍微做点

485
00:16:59,866 --> 00:17:01,766
区分的因为网上呀

486
00:17:01,766 --> 00:17:04,266
不管在哪个所说明一点平台上

487
00:17:04,266 --> 00:17:05,400
天天都会看到

488
00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,800
成千上万的方法

489
00:17:07,033 --> 00:17:08,133
然后很多时候

490
00:17:08,566 --> 00:17:11,733
我觉得就是说不要说是朝三暮四

491
00:17:11,866 --> 00:17:13,933
不要说是啊早上看到啊

492
00:17:14,166 --> 00:17:15,600
这个 amy 的方法

493
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,333
然后下午看到正确的方法

494
00:17:17,333 --> 00:17:19,266
然后就不停的换来换去

495
00:17:19,566 --> 00:17:20,566
这样也不好啊

496
00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,966
这个原当然持之以恒

497
00:17:21,966 --> 00:17:23,966
而且关于你刚刚说的那个问题

498
00:17:24,466 --> 00:17:27,833
理科这方面我其实也没有特别深入

499
00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:29,400
有的时候挺感兴趣的

500
00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,100
确实但是但是理科方面

501
00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,166
肯定没有搞的英语这么好吗

502
00:17:33,166 --> 00:17:34,533
所以啊

503
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,033
这个方面我跟他还是真请教你了

504
00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:38,166
嗯啊对

505
00:17:38,166 --> 00:17:40,200
刚刚那个问题就是说为什么我

506
00:17:40,266 --> 00:17:41,800
就是说能坚持下来

507
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,933
当然这个跟我父母有很有关

508
00:17:43,933 --> 00:17:45,000
很有很大的关系

509
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,266
要是一个人不是说

510
00:17:46,266 --> 00:17:48,733
当然从七八岁开始也没有说

511
00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:50,533
有一个特别人生目标

512
00:17:50,766 --> 00:17:52,266
必须要来比延续好

513
00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,800
必须要以后找到好工作没有这种想法

514
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:55,866
当时我估计

515
00:17:56,500 --> 00:17:59,233
这两天才翻那个我的原来的日记

516
00:17:59,333 --> 00:18:01,366
然后我现在也在做很多日记

517
00:18:01,433 --> 00:18:04,100
因为呃想把日常生活记下来

518
00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,333
翻到了大概我七八岁的时候

519
00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:09,500
啊我记得是哎我想当一个药技师

520
00:18:09,500 --> 00:18:11,266
估计当时想的就是像

521
00:18:11,833 --> 00:18:14,633
keel kms 之后有的人吧啊对

522
00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:16,066
啊都是多变的

523
00:18:16,066 --> 00:18:16,866


524
00:18:17,766 --> 00:18:20,766
啊所以是那个时候的梦想让你就是

525
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,166
领入了这个英文的领域这样

526
00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,333
啊对很多时候还是父母的帮助

527
00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:29,333
我迫使一下

528
00:18:29,333 --> 00:18:31,100
然后后来的话我其实现在

529
00:18:31,566 --> 00:18:35,066
还对英文中问这些语言蛮感兴趣的

530
00:18:35,066 --> 00:18:37,900
一个就是他分些什么的

531
00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:39,900
比如说整个语言学

532
00:18:40,133 --> 00:18:40,666


533
00:18:40,666 --> 00:18:44,233
其实比如说我很现在原来还有一个

534
00:18:44,466 --> 00:18:46,300
小小的梦想吧

535
00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:48,133
就是以后做一个康莱

536
00:18:48,666 --> 00:18:50,600
当然也不算梦想这个很实际的

537
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,533
以后要是有时间的话就能做出来

538
00:18:52,566 --> 00:18:53,400
但是是

539
00:18:54,033 --> 00:18:56,800
啊还是很想自己做一个 colin 的

540
00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,266
就是 constructed language

541
00:18:58,333 --> 00:19:01,533
就是指像指环网中的 elvish

542
00:19:01,533 --> 00:19:03,466
啊像 star trek 中的

543
00:19:03,933 --> 00:19:06,066
很感你让就是好了解

544
00:19:06,666 --> 00:19:07,100
就是

545
00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:09,066
例如说像是我们现在有一种语言

546
00:19:09,066 --> 00:19:10,200
叫做世界语

547
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,433
那个 esperanto

548
00:19:11,933 --> 00:19:13,666
对 esperanto hmm

549
00:19:14,533 --> 00:19:17,266
自己构造出来的语言然后自己做出来

550
00:19:17,533 --> 00:19:18,000
然后就是

551
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,200


552
00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,366
世界人都可以说这个语言的那种语言

553
00:19:20,966 --> 00:19:23,066
嗯当然那个 surround 都

554
00:19:23,133 --> 00:19:24,466
是用拉丁那块

555
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,766
见证了所以又不是全世界吗

556
00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:29,266
不过当然是这样子没错对嗯

557
00:19:31,366 --> 00:19:32,933
啊然后对语言的

558
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,933
呃身后感兴趣我觉得还有一个就是我

559
00:19:36,500 --> 00:19:39,733
现在新化市近两年我是对这一种

560
00:19:40,533 --> 00:19:44,033
感觉想输出就是想写东西的欲望吧

561
00:19:44,133 --> 00:19:47,200
不光是说写一些日记啊什么的

562
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,933
我其实最近啊很喜欢

563
00:19:49,933 --> 00:19:50,833
就是说想

564
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,266
已经构诉出了一些小说的框架

565
00:19:53,266 --> 00:19:54,900
然后想写一些东西

566
00:19:54,966 --> 00:19:57,900
比如说我刚刚大概就是写了一阵子

567
00:19:58,133 --> 00:20:01,133
呃东西才稍微进入这个思维方式的

568
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,200
啊我觉得写对我来说

569
00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,833
是一个非常有趣的东西

570
00:20:05,833 --> 00:20:07,933
因为我也很喜欢看小说

571
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000
我也很希望以后有没有可能

572
00:20:10,300 --> 00:20:12,400
就说当一个小说家呀什么的

573
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,766
然后我觉得我写我也很很开心嘛

574
00:20:14,766 --> 00:20:16,433
因为自己构造一个小说

575
00:20:16,433 --> 00:20:18,533
构造一个世界 world building

576
00:20:18,966 --> 00:20:20,600
这些挺好的哦

577
00:20:21,266 --> 00:20:22,933
ok 所以你有很多语言

578
00:20:22,933 --> 00:20:24,500
这种语言学的美啊

579
00:20:24,566 --> 00:20:25,866
这样 lily 吃啊这些

580
00:20:25,866 --> 00:20:27,533
我也是有一些感兴趣的

581
00:20:27,533 --> 00:20:29,300
当然感兴趣感兴趣

582
00:20:29,533 --> 00:20:31,600
然后啊就是 profession 机

583
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,033
profession 不 profession 是另一个

584
00:20:33,033 --> 00:20:34,100
你说了啊

585
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,400
不过你现在就已经初中的

586
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,400
达到这个阶段

587
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,133
就已经是大家的领头仰了

588
00:20:40,133 --> 00:20:44,466
其实就已经在在跑在很前面的那个

589
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,466
所以我觉得不过在小说方面的话

590
00:20:48,566 --> 00:20:49,500
还得加油啊

591
00:20:49,500 --> 00:20:51,033
因为我现在也

592
00:20:51,666 --> 00:20:53,866
就只只能出去写作业

593
00:20:53,866 --> 00:20:55,900
然后感觉一是没时间

594
00:20:55,900 --> 00:20:57,466
二是感觉有的时候

595
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,133
也不是说灵感没有了

596
00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:01,266
有的时候兴趣就突然没有了

597
00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:03,933
但是我知道这个是一个持续性的东西

598
00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:05,733
然后我每两天就想写一下

599
00:21:05,733 --> 00:21:07,366
写一下写一下的那种

600
00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:09,366
我记得我今天早上还看到

601
00:21:09,366 --> 00:21:10,766
你就是有一个

602
00:21:10,866 --> 00:21:12,766
影片然后是你跟

603
00:21:13,666 --> 00:21:17,933
外国的人们然后在讲话

604
00:21:17,933 --> 00:21:20,100
然后整个坐在餐桌那边

605
00:21:20,933 --> 00:21:22,966
啊那是什么啊

606
00:21:24,333 --> 00:21:27,900
特多啊那个是天地啊

607
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,766
对是不

608
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,833
开会我有几个开什么会学校社团吗

609
00:21:34,833 --> 00:21:36,866
学校社团我要啊

610
00:21:37,033 --> 00:21:38,366
哦对在玩

611
00:21:38,433 --> 00:21:40,066
我们在玩一个 rpg

612
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,266
就是邓真曾 dragos 龙宇地下城啊

613
00:21:44,133 --> 00:21:45,533
ok 了解

614
00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,900
啊你们那个时候就是也大家聚会

615
00:21:47,900 --> 00:21:49,166
然后你说那个是什么

616
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,166
啊是一个

617
00:21:51,333 --> 00:21:54,166
呃桌游吧叫做 rpg

618
00:21:54,166 --> 00:21:58,566
就是角色扮演游戏叫跟真整出来个 ok

619
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:01,300
很奇怪我今天还说到这了

620
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,200
好多外国人哇这是你练英文的方式啊

621
00:22:05,366 --> 00:22:08,400
哈哈哈没有了没有了那个成熟兴趣

622
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,300
因为我怎么说呢

623
00:22:10,666 --> 00:22:11,900
这个是另一个故事

624
00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,400
不过好久以前听说过这样有一个游戏

625
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,900
然后因为这个更多是北美那边的吧

626
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,466
我就觉得这个概念非常非常有意思

627
00:22:20,466 --> 00:22:21,433
然后就找

628
00:22:21,566 --> 00:22:23,633
然后甚至自己想去办一个组

629
00:22:23,900 --> 00:22:25,366
但是后来就找到了他们吗

630
00:22:25,366 --> 00:22:27,900
他们是本来就已经有一个组让我去

631
00:22:27,900 --> 00:22:29,500
过的时候就是不是可以过去玩一玩

632
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:30,933
哦了解

633
00:22:30,933 --> 00:22:31,466
因为他

634
00:22:31,466 --> 00:22:33,733
其实那个桌游在台湾也蛮有名的

635
00:22:34,166 --> 00:22:35,166
对全世界啊

636
00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:36,733
对我记得好像很多

637
00:22:36,866 --> 00:22:39,366
是不是英文老师就是用这个还和他的

638
00:22:39,433 --> 00:22:41,566
学生们哦那很难的

639
00:22:41,566 --> 00:22:43,900
因为要买很多组哦哈哈哈哈

640
00:22:44,366 --> 00:22:45,033
不对啊

641
00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:47,833
这个是我我觉得买七个骰子是够用

642
00:22:47,866 --> 00:22:48,700
哎够用哎

643
00:22:48,966 --> 00:22:51,500
七个骰子可是一个班级里面有三十

644
00:22:51,566 --> 00:22:52,433
三十个人

645
00:22:52,566 --> 00:22:53,366
二十几个

646
00:22:53,766 --> 00:22:54,600
但是不知道怎么玩

647
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,633
可以用手机上的筛子呀的

648
00:22:57,133 --> 00:22:58,133
学生们用手机吧

649
00:22:58,133 --> 00:23:00,266
然后下一个筛子帮我玩很久

650
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,233
哈哈哈

651
00:23:02,233 --> 00:23:04,800
那你会你会觉得就是游戏

652
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,900
学英文这件事情可行吗

653
00:23:08,666 --> 00:23:09,766
呃没有吧

654
00:23:09,766 --> 00:23:12,300
因为我就是说按我的经历来说

655
00:23:12,300 --> 00:23:15,466
看了其实我觉得我不是这个方面的

656
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:19,500
权威因为这个学习英文就是游戏

657
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:20,900
学英文这个方面的话

658
00:23:21,333 --> 00:23:22,733
嗯看是什么游戏吧

659
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,500
我其实从小时候

660
00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:26,466
或者基本上就没有怎么玩过游戏的

661
00:23:26,466 --> 00:23:29,333
还是父母这边不过不多说了啊

662
00:23:29,633 --> 00:23:31,133
比如说我玩这个低音的

663
00:23:31,133 --> 00:23:32,933
其实更多是兴趣所的

664
00:23:32,933 --> 00:23:34,766
要是中文玩的话我也去玩

665
00:23:35,133 --> 00:23:37,066
嗯只不过是说

666
00:23:37,366 --> 00:23:39,666
呃这个哎英文可以啊

667
00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:43,033
其实我很久没有练英文了

668
00:23:43,033 --> 00:23:45,733
所以现在稍微有那么一点点 rusty

669
00:23:45,966 --> 00:23:47,100
就是不会啦

670
00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,033
还好哪有一点点

671
00:23:49,700 --> 00:23:51,333
有一点点所以反倒就是

672
00:23:51,766 --> 00:23:52,900
因为这个东西

673
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,233
只有你达到一个很高的级别了

674
00:23:55,366 --> 00:23:56,466
才掉的比较慢

675
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:59,133
然后虽然掉的比较慢但还是在掉

676
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,666
所以而是

677
00:24:00,966 --> 00:24:02,166
不是是啊

678
00:24:02,166 --> 00:24:03,766
每天要是练习一阵子点

679
00:24:03,766 --> 00:24:05,633
或者找对方法练习其实

680
00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:08,333
说话会掉的

681
00:24:08,366 --> 00:24:10,666
然后要是初级的话或者中级的话

682
00:24:10,666 --> 00:24:12,166
掉的有可能还是更快了

683
00:24:12,733 --> 00:24:13,966
我觉得难免了

684
00:24:14,066 --> 00:24:15,866
就是因为在一个国家

685
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,733
里面如果没有讲那个语言的话

686
00:24:17,733 --> 00:24:19,100
其实就是会慢慢的

687
00:24:19,133 --> 00:24:20,833
那个技能会这样消退

688
00:24:21,333 --> 00:24:23,366
而且你又会又又学英文

689
00:24:23,366 --> 00:24:25,233
那个的德文又学法文

690
00:24:25,466 --> 00:24:26,233
对不对啊

691
00:24:26,233 --> 00:24:27,433
是西语和法语

692
00:24:27,433 --> 00:24:30,833
西语跟法语对你又得学西语又学法语

693
00:24:31,166 --> 00:24:31,966


694
00:24:32,233 --> 00:24:34,900
我到底为什么会是这两个语言的

695
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,133
这个其实我好像以前有人问过

696
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,066
这个原因比较简单了也不是因为说

697
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,566
有一个原因就是说这三个语言其实还

698
00:24:45,766 --> 00:24:46,933
还好吧几个

699
00:24:47,033 --> 00:24:49,633
比如说西域和法海月亮哥语法结构

700
00:24:50,366 --> 00:24:53,000
不是说差不多但有很多相似之处

701
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,366
然后像变味啥的

702
00:24:54,466 --> 00:24:56,133
当然都有变味完全不同

703
00:24:56,166 --> 00:24:58,500
我不过就是说整个学习

704
00:24:58,500 --> 00:25:01,266
有帮助然后三个也有很多共同的词汇

705
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,400
然后比如说

706
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,333
啊我那天突然想到了一个例子就是说

707
00:25:05,966 --> 00:25:08,300
protagonist 这个东西

708
00:25:08,333 --> 00:25:09,633
就是说主角的意思

709
00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:11,133
对然后我这个词是在

710
00:25:11,366 --> 00:25:11,866


711
00:25:11,866 --> 00:25:14,633
呃西语中不知道大哥米西的学到了

712
00:25:14,633 --> 00:25:16,066
然后我以前其实在英文中

713
00:25:16,066 --> 00:25:17,033
不知道有这个词

714
00:25:17,033 --> 00:25:18,466
然后后来发现有一个

715
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:19,700
啊看了一个视频

716
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:21,066
有一个人也在说这个事

717
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:21,833
就是说

718
00:25:21,833 --> 00:25:23,933
用了这个词 protagonist 我才知道哎

719
00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:25,700
这些词很多都是通用的

720
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:27,466
然后很多时候比如说

721
00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:29,933
啊一些类似的词

722
00:25:30,133 --> 00:25:33,666
呃其实只是说比如说法语中有一个词

723
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,966
他是英文中这个词翻译

724
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,066
不过要是

725
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:38,933
这个英文中也有一个类似的词

726
00:25:38,933 --> 00:25:40,666
但是是一个更高级的更

727
00:25:41,066 --> 00:25:42,433
这个高阶的词

728
00:25:42,466 --> 00:25:44,866
其实很多时候在小说中也知道

729
00:25:44,866 --> 00:25:46,866
然后有的时候就觉得很有意思

730
00:25:47,133 --> 00:25:48,600
对然后你知道吧

731
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,366
有的时候我好像在比如说那个

732
00:25:51,666 --> 00:25:53,066
gannuitawan 的飘中

733
00:25:53,066 --> 00:25:54,766
还看到他们老师用这个

734
00:25:54,933 --> 00:25:55,866
一个词形容

735
00:25:56,166 --> 00:25:59,800
好像帅哥或者就是叫不不就是

736
00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:02,633
美的意思然后我当时就很惊讶哎

737
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,600
还有这么个词啊

738
00:26:05,233 --> 00:26:06,066
哪一个词

739
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:13,300
啊就是 b e a u b a u 哦不啊啊 ok 了解

740
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,500
在英文是

741
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:17,266
只说就是可能是一个情郎的意思

742
00:26:17,866 --> 00:26:19,433
对就是差不多吧

743
00:26:19,433 --> 00:26:22,133
然后在法文中的话就是直接是

744
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:24,766
漂亮呀美的东西这意思哦

745
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,966
而且你就是你刚讲的那些

746
00:26:26,966 --> 00:26:30,733
在一西语跟法语里面那些词汇啊

747
00:26:30,900 --> 00:26:34,133
在英文里面都变成是最高阶级的词汇

748
00:26:34,666 --> 00:26:35,700
也不是最高阶级

749
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:38,733
不过确实说到盆小乱这一次 protagonists

750
00:26:38,966 --> 00:26:41,433
这个字因为 protagonist 在那个

751
00:26:42,466 --> 00:26:45,466
在这电影里面我说是你 leading actor was

752
00:26:45,466 --> 00:26:48,100
actress 或者是说我们讲是 man character

753
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,000
可是在高阶一点他们才慢慢的接触到

754
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,600
从7,000个繁殖之后变成是 alpha techness

755
00:26:55,733 --> 00:26:56,533
这样子

756
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,733
对那都是后面高阶的词汇就是哇

757
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,266
但这个是凑巧了啊对

758
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,366
所以有时候学一个另外一个

759
00:27:05,366 --> 00:27:06,166
呃欧洲的

760
00:27:06,166 --> 00:27:08,366
原有可能还能增加你的英文词汇什么

761
00:27:08,366 --> 00:27:12,066
的我不要信啊这个是偶然的

762
00:27:12,166 --> 00:27:15,133
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈

763
00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:15,800
不过

764
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,566
主要学这两个语言的原因的话其实

765
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:22,366
也很简单啊中文是世界上母语者

766
00:27:22,466 --> 00:27:23,533
贝斯最多的

767
00:27:23,566 --> 00:27:26,333
然后下来是外语为第二语言

768
00:27:26,366 --> 00:27:27,466
最多的是英文

769
00:27:27,466 --> 00:27:30,466
然后是母语第二的语言是西语

770
00:27:30,466 --> 00:27:31,700
然后后来发育很像

771
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,266
也大概世界上

772
00:27:33,366 --> 00:27:34,966
就是说使用人数最多的语言

773
00:27:34,966 --> 00:27:37,633
也就是啊汉英

774
00:27:37,933 --> 00:27:38,733
呃戏法

775
00:27:38,733 --> 00:27:41,766
然后还有剩下几个的话也挺啊

776
00:27:41,766 --> 00:27:42,400
用的挺多

777
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,066
不过这四个确实说的人是不合理啊

778
00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:46,400
你应该学学一些

779
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,766
就是更更有人讲的你知道哈哈

780
00:27:53,233 --> 00:27:53,466


781
00:27:53,466 --> 00:27:56,000
不过要是以后再学语言的话我其实

782
00:27:56,366 --> 00:27:57,933
要是有机会有时间的话

783
00:27:57,933 --> 00:28:00,000
可以选择学一个不太一样的语言

784
00:28:00,033 --> 00:28:01,700
就是说不学欧洲的语言了

785
00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:03,700
学一个我不知道嗯

786
00:28:03,900 --> 00:28:06,733
像比如说阿拉伯一比啊日语啊

787
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:07,900
这些

788
00:28:08,133 --> 00:28:10,966
对这种稍微不太一样的感受一下

789
00:28:10,966 --> 00:28:12,666
就是说因为语言学问

790
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:13,733
然后感受一下

791
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:16,300
其实不同的语言有多么不同啊

792
00:28:16,566 --> 00:28:17,333
不行啦

793
00:28:17,333 --> 00:28:19,700
你要省时间然后做自己的语言啊

794
00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:21,566
哈哈哈哈哈哈

795
00:28:22,733 --> 00:28:25,133
作为一个另外世界语啊哈哈哈

796
00:28:26,333 --> 00:28:27,933
是啊你要你要融合

797
00:28:27,933 --> 00:28:29,466
如果不知道其他的语言的话

798
00:28:29,466 --> 00:28:30,666
不知道人家的语言结构

799
00:28:30,666 --> 00:28:32,700
怎么做一个很好的世界语言

800
00:28:32,866 --> 00:28:35,100
你知道世界语融合汉语

801
00:28:35,100 --> 00:28:36,866
然后变得公平一点

802
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,466
不能只有拉丁字根好吗哈哈哈

803
00:28:39,666 --> 00:28:41,866
就像说的是3体重的那种吗

804
00:28:41,866 --> 00:28:43,633
就是身体不是好像

805
00:28:43,833 --> 00:28:45,500
哎我忘了好像呃

806
00:28:45,566 --> 00:28:48,100
aa 啊这些人物他名字都有点

807
00:28:49,133 --> 00:28:51,700
半硬半汉了哦不知道你你看过没有

808
00:28:51,700 --> 00:28:52,700
我不知道哎

809
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:55,600
你是在讲说视频会拍视频的人吗

810
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,500
是不是啊

811
00:28:56,500 --> 00:28:57,800
不是不是三体三体

812
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,233
就是留自信的那本科幻小说哦

813
00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:01,833
了解了解

814
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:04,000
我有机会要了解一下

815
00:29:04,266 --> 00:29:06,066
这身为一个初中生

816
00:29:06,233 --> 00:29:09,366
我还你到底怎么调配自己时间呢

817
00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:12,233
你那么多语言这么多事情要嘎

818
00:29:14,133 --> 00:29:15,300
你听懂嘎的意思吗

819
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:18,300
就是很多事情在同时间发生

820
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:21,233
然后你要那么多事情要去做嗯

821
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,366
呃我觉得其实有时候确实还挺难的

822
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,066
比如说你要边学习搞学校的事情

823
00:29:30,066 --> 00:29:33,166
边学习就是开始英文心理学那个

824
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:35,433
我其实还有点做不到

825
00:29:35,566 --> 00:29:36,366
不过

826
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,366
可以做的是就是维持现在的这个 level

827
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,400
啊我平常做的话

828
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,966
很多时候只能说是中午回家吃饭

829
00:29:43,966 --> 00:29:45,900
晚上吃饭的时候看一些

830
00:29:45,900 --> 00:29:47,100
这些语言的节目

831
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:49,500
啊这个大概哪天一下听力

832
00:29:49,933 --> 00:29:51,466
呃然后接下来

833
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:54,000
当然要是周末有时间的话还可以

834
00:29:54,233 --> 00:29:55,900
就是说练一练

835
00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:57,866
不过基本上就到这了

836
00:29:57,866 --> 00:29:59,800
真的没有其他的时间练了

837
00:29:59,966 --> 00:30:03,566
然后平常比如说在学校啊你就可以在

838
00:30:04,233 --> 00:30:05,033
呃像

839
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,133
说炫耀一下我不上英语课的

840
00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:10,300
然后我就可以拿这个时间来看一些

841
00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:11,066
法文呀

842
00:30:11,066 --> 00:30:11,933
新闻的小说

843
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:12,933
英文小说

844
00:30:13,266 --> 00:30:14,866
嗯还好老师可以让你看

845
00:30:15,033 --> 00:30:16,333
哈哈哈哈对对

846
00:30:16,333 --> 00:30:17,233
真的感谢了

847
00:30:17,233 --> 00:30:19,233
是老师让你老师带了吧

848
00:30:19,233 --> 00:30:20,633
感谢了对啊

849
00:30:21,333 --> 00:30:23,233
老师也知道你的英文程度好吧

850
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:25,633
是对啊对啊

851
00:30:25,633 --> 00:30:27,800
所以他就可以这样放肆的让你看

852
00:30:27,966 --> 00:30:29,500
你们一个班几个人啊

853
00:30:30,966 --> 00:30:33,766
我们一个班现在50个人哇

854
00:30:34,066 --> 00:30:35,700
那他你没办法不管的了

855
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:37,400
只能跟大学课程差不多

856
00:30:37,566 --> 00:30:38,966
哈哈哈是吗

857
00:30:38,966 --> 00:30:41,766
呃那呃呃台湾那边的话

858
00:30:41,766 --> 00:30:43,433
初中高中一个班多少人啊

859
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:46,766
呃三十或者二十几嗯

860
00:30:48,733 --> 00:30:49,733
啊这是小班呢

861
00:30:49,733 --> 00:30:50,800
对啊比较小啊

862
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,700
然后大学的话也是没有那么多人

863
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:55,033
差不多五十几个人

864
00:30:55,033 --> 00:30:56,600
之前读大学的时候

865
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,633
一个教室里面

866
00:30:57,633 --> 00:31:00,066
对桌塞五六十就就算多了

867
00:31:00,833 --> 00:31:03,566
有些课甚至只有三三十个人这样

868
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,000


869
00:31:05,233 --> 00:31:07,533
对啊我们称为六十个人叫大班

870
00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:08,833
哈哈哈

871
00:31:10,066 --> 00:31:10,933
对你知道吗

872
00:31:10,933 --> 00:31:12,166
我们这边小

873
00:31:12,166 --> 00:31:13,500
呃小学的时候不是

874
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:16,000
当时双检之前还有一个奥数之城

875
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,300
不知道你们那边有没有

876
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,700
其实就是很多说 crime school 那种感觉啊

877
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:21,500
然后里面

878
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,300
他们所谓的大班是90个人左右的

879
00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:27,333
这补习班你不是会像90个人吗

880
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,133
对有的时候我记得当时啊

881
00:31:30,133 --> 00:31:31,433


882
00:31:31,533 --> 00:31:34,133
有点很糟糕你知道吧通风也不太好

883
00:31:34,233 --> 00:31:35,366
整个大概

884
00:31:35,866 --> 00:31:37,133
呃我不知道

885
00:31:37,266 --> 00:31:40,033
两百三百平米的一个大教室只有

886
00:31:40,266 --> 00:31:41,366
两扇窗子

887
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,566
然后每次都感觉中暑一样的憋闷哇

888
00:31:44,833 --> 00:31:45,633
当时啊

889
00:31:45,633 --> 00:31:48,833
真是没有办法想象那样子的起环境

890
00:31:48,866 --> 00:31:49,933
是啊嗯

891
00:31:50,966 --> 00:31:53,000
两真的是2万大不同

892
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,800
哈哈

893
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,266
那他那自己时间就是这样子调配

894
00:31:57,266 --> 00:31:59,466
就是只说你平常有0岁时间

895
00:31:59,466 --> 00:32:01,066
就拿出来赶快赶快赶快

896
00:32:01,066 --> 00:32:02,533
然后就看一下看一下看一下

897
00:32:02,666 --> 00:32:04,066
不要让他就一直往后退

898
00:32:04,066 --> 00:32:04,866
这样子

899
00:32:05,533 --> 00:32:07,800
是暂暂时也只能这个样子了

900
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,533
不过要是精进的话当然可以选择

901
00:32:10,533 --> 00:32:14,333
比如说我最近要供一下其余的阅读

902
00:32:14,433 --> 00:32:16,400
然后我就多拿一些时间来阅读

903
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,933
有可能在短时间内稍微有一点点提高

904
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:20,766
然后比如说因为我英语

905
00:32:20,766 --> 00:32:22,666
记单词其实很糟糕的

906
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,500
所以我可以换一段时间去记一下单词

907
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:27,533
啊对这个是两件事情

908
00:32:27,533 --> 00:32:27,933
对不对

909
00:32:27,933 --> 00:32:30,466
就是你的语言好跟你会会会考试

910
00:32:30,466 --> 00:32:31,966
这两件事情是分开的

911
00:32:33,566 --> 00:32:33,833


912
00:32:33,866 --> 00:32:36,166
因为我从小就没有怎么好好记过单词

913
00:32:36,166 --> 00:32:38,000
然后现在想用英文

914
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,166
反正我写一下小说呀啥的

915
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,300
有的时候就就感觉有一半的中高级

916
00:32:43,566 --> 00:32:44,966
词汇全部都拼错了

917
00:32:44,966 --> 00:32:46,166
然后就只能撂到那

918
00:32:46,166 --> 00:32:46,866
反正

919
00:32:46,866 --> 00:32:50,200
希望以后的杰瑞能看懂我在写啥吧

920
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,200
哈哈哈哈

921
00:32:52,033 --> 00:32:55,266
拼错字这边演示就是叫中翻音

922
00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:56,533
然后就要把那个

923
00:32:56,866 --> 00:32:57,666
全部

924
00:32:57,700 --> 00:33:00,400
中中文的词汇然后翻成英文的都有

925
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,066
很多学生都是拼错啊

926
00:33:02,233 --> 00:33:04,733
这真是一个很大的一个窍门

927
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,233
对大的敲门好

928
00:33:07,366 --> 00:33:10,166
我们的中文访问事先到这边结束了

929
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:13,200
啊下一段我们要准备用英文的访问

930
00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:16,166
那如果有兴趣的同学

931
00:33:16,433 --> 00:33:18,133
近距离的一些观众

932
00:33:18,133 --> 00:33:19,600
如果你是想要听英文的话

933
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,300
我们等一下还有英文的访问

934
00:33:21,533 --> 00:33:22,800
千万不要错过喽

935
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:24,600
那我们先要这边

936
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,566
我们对待会再请这里回来

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Re: 一些语言学习方法--与台湾多语者Alex Shen的访谈

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hello welcome back

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welcome to polygloss and world and

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today i invited jerry to come to my show

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and talk about his language learning journey

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hello alex

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it's nice to be here

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really thanks for inviting me and i've never been to

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much of this podcast thing so i still have a lot to learn

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but today you know what well

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i guess we'll have a pretty nice conversation and i guess

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our audience will learn something useful hopefully out of this

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sure i sure though well

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why don't you introduce your first self first

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uh well hi guys my name is sugary i am a mainland in china

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mill school student or just high school student

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so i'll be fifteen in just a month so

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let's just say that i'm fifteen

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wow i was old wow yes sixty years old if i was a spanish

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like girl i would have my king genius that was kinsanera

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no this is the kensineero

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so your case kinsanero

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i don't think that exists but it'll be sure

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fun to have that boy that was an organ zero

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and you and

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i pretty continue

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all right and

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we'll also since we're talking about languages i am a polyglot

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does like alex alex said did you say that never mind

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i speak mandarin my native language

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then of course english as we're talking in this language

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spanish and french i said that in that order

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because it's from my lungs learning time to shop or desk hmm

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okay great

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the first question i want to ask you is

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uh why did you get from those language murder learning met ups

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why what did you why did you start it

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well personally

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why i started it traces back a lot to when i was in thailand

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and i have been abroad before

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but just for traveling you know been to southeast asia

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never been to other any continent other than ages

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but i dig out the thailand once and

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there i stayed there for a long time as i did

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of course i had the chance to

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enjoy the sun crayon festival where people just use walker guns

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and everything to smash water atch

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a shooting water atch you know squeeze

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the sponges maybe a little throw out of your face

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as i'm exaggerated

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but it was really fun

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and there i met this awesome group

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that meet twice a week it was more of a making friends

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sorta group who was a basically

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a english coroner or english club

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depending on where you are and how you like to put it

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it was hosted by a lot of people relay there was a bunch of

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people from different nationalities as in highland

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while mostly it's a country

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that isn't made for traveling there's so much to the sea

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and it has tropical weather that much

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many people enjoy including us my family really

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and i went there twice a week

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i felt the ambiance

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was really great there was all these awesome conversations

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and as an english speaker there i could just

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talk with people and really see

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how they

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think about language learning and about the

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thailand in general and once this is a funny story but

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we were talking about

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why i am learning languages in our chinese version of this

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or actually chinese part of this podcast

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but one time

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because then when i was in highland

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i was currently at that time

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i was learning spanish

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and one guy was learning spanish too

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and we sort of had a fun conversation where i asked them

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oh hey man

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why are you learning spanish as i have already explained

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why i am learning spanish

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he said

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that this way

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i can meet more women

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he said it with a straight face

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he didn't even plant straight face

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i mean i was surprised at that answer

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and i mean then i thought about it hey that's true because

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lot of spanish speaking countries

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there are a lot of spanish speaking countries out

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there with a huge population

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yes beautiful girls over

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and that was actually a pretty legit reason

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so i had many fun experiences there

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and this is also one of the things that propose made to do this

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language exchange group

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and also because well

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i haven't really ever been a host before and

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turns out it was a good choice because

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if i haven't been the host of

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the language exchange group i'll probably

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be nervous talking to you

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i mean i'll be sweating all over vanilla

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i'm not flinching i just feel at my natural state and that is

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sort of the change that the language group did to me

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also i mean it didn't be other great things to other people too

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i see a lot of people come here and i see some go too

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but normally it's a pretty good ambience me as the host all

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talk about funding subjects and we'll have

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small group conversations which i think are great

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we have a lot to improve but still i think

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we're already doing great

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and basically

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doing this made me realize a lot of things too and

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me as someone who had a very

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different language learning experience

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the most had learned a lot about the language learning community

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and how some people struggle and strive

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to

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learn languages but some cannot i have met this

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one american

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who woke up at pretty much three in the morning to join my club

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because he

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said you have a nice group jerry

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and i was honored

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and i was pretty surprised and honestly it felt great

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it was one of the most

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heartwarming experiences i had over there

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and then i just thought to be able to provide this

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nice language learning group a nice

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environment for people it is an honor and i really feel

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good about what i'm doing so that's basically one of the things

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one of the reasons why i am doing this group also of course

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helping people that is the most obvious answer because it is

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because it helps people since

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i have seen many the meetings i meet up

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and i've seen groups with

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say what twenty thousand people

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but each meeting they only have about what under a single digit

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rsvps and i just thought

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this is incredible why

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i don't know that's why not yeah

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i don't know too because really it just sounds strange in a bit

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weird to me honestly

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but i am still proud of my group and

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really i just hope for

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the best for the language learning community in general

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but i guess that those

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grooves are just private because they only accept the people

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their circle or sometimes it's not well promoted

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and yours i don't know why yours is so popular

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because you've been hosted it for fourteen times forty

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yeah forty yeah forty times second time i think this weekend

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says oh you have you have hosted it hosted it

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forty mid of so

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i think that's the great lands of time

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and people get to know your group both better

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and it come to you

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and you also offer free chinese lessons is that right

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yeah so that's the part of reason because you offer lessons

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and this is the special the specialty and the special thing that

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differs you from autogroups

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i do think that this is one of the advantages

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and because it's an exchange group

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i have met sometimes great difficulties of drawing and

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actually i know a lot of people who want to learn chinese

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and that isn't the problem

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but what i wanted to draw in was

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english native english speakers too because

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one of our greatest needs and i'm not joking here because

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who come here are expecting

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to be able to converse with a native speaker

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and i'm saying this

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and not to put blame on anybody it's a natural thing to do

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and i do think too sometimes practice

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within any of this features good

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i did some marketing strategies to ensure that

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my groups were really

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put on the meetups and

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i've created some more groups that is located and well

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i mean located as in put the address in some western countries

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people would notice and people dear who want to learn chinese

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would come to my groups hmm

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but it helped a lot

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i do think that my chinese lessons help too

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but what makes the group

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unique or not

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it's difficult to say i mean i am

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really pushed and i am

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not really willing to say

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it's because of me as i don't think that's the reason

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but i do like to think that it's me maybe

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maybe because of the people they met there at a middle

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last night i was in the zoom meeting

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i was at zoom meeting in the meeting room and you asked us

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that's the rule number one

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you asked us to change our screen name

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to one that is

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your modern hung what your modeling is and what your level is

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okay so that's and you will see that and

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divide people into two different groups

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if you want to learn chinese you go to chinese actually------------------------------------------

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right now i do things a little bit differently but

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it's so the reason why i

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asked people to change during it things whatever

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screen names as you had put it is because

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when i assigned people into different rooms

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and i tend to assign people with

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the same amount of well i like to do that

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and i wish to do that but sometimes it's not possible

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but i would assign the same number of

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english learners and chinese learners into the same room

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so that in the first three minutes

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they'll all speak english

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and then the second they all speak chinese

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and later they'll just go into whatever room

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okay good not really i mean the rules they basically the same

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that's basically the same

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how what did you get from the language meadows

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did you get anything

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because you just said you get you were happy

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because you learn you help a lot of people

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learn their target languages

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and what do you think is the

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the most you got from the magnificent oh oh

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i already said it a bit

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but let me just stick deeper and expand on that how i have

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not all but disruptor to fix my profile a stage fright

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because during all these

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yes and i will talk about one experience

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i learned to deal with an audience

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and of course stress too

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from difficult situations

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once we had a zoom bomber common state and valve was

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that's the name it's a zoom bomber like

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suicide bombers

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there are zoom bombers there are just people who

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found my link and got in my group then started

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playing videos or just uh saying inappropriate stuff

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and there was weapons this guy with a masked on

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and he just started to sing sing and in awkward yeah yeah

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and then started to mutter something

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and he wasn't saying anything was just muttering oh my god

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what did you do yeah that was terrible

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i mean i kicked him out

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but with difficulty as my hands were a bit shaking at that time

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that's terrible

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things you have also encountered

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well i

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mean i've encountered difficult people in the past in the group

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and also i would say so

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during all of my experience

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with people on your unit in general is that i have found that

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i was more able to accept

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ideologies or at least not push too hard on those ideologies

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for my experience before because when i first had encountered

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people

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who had different ideologies and the value systems than me

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i was of course

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i had this natural repulsion against them thinking

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oh that's ridiculous

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but then i stunt i

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understood to appreciate them more appreciate that

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different people have different ideologies that doesn't stop you

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from becoming friends

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or close or intimate with them

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okay you have become more accepting autocultures yeah accepting

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other cultures

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and i have learned

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some a lot about other cultures too i would say

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okay so that is a big plus

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and of course i have learned some things about human nature

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really just

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not really just i mean i

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begun we are self selfish you understand what you wanted

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hurry what and that will self selfish what is human nature um

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yeah a bitch but

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and after aspects too really

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so in general i've become more accepted accepting

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of other people's cultural ideologies

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values and also i've

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come to realize that

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other people have difficulty to use two like

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before i was a pretty selfish child that thought okay

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in this world there's me and there's other people i'm a

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human being with a mind

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but

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i mean did the other people

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have a mind did other people feel things

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i was

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how to put this this is actually a weird thing

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and a really difficult thing to express

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but i always thought that perhaps other people were

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having an emotions

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but it stopped there

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i didn't think that if perhaps if they're angry

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they really felt angry to me they were just angry

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and i have to deal with that

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but i haven't thought that oh

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perhaps they aren't feeling good because they're angry so

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i tended to understand that people had emotions and

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at the best way to deal with those are

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your comforting your

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eu as the host doing the right things to ensure that

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we still can continue a good meeting mmm

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okay good good opinion of you

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as you were just mentioned

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ideologies of different countries of people

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from different countries

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can you give an example that

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that shocked you the most

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what was the ideology what was the

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what were the thoughts that you

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think oh that wasn't as possible and you generally just

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get into it

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actually i think

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this is quite a difficult question

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i don't know if i can say there has been many things that

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i wouldn't say shocked me there was one

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ones or twice

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but i wouldn't think that it's appropriate to put it out here

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and other times it wasn't so much

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shocking than it was just

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a bit surprising

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but

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perhaps it's a topic for another day

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oh okay on other day

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so

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i want more question

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you presently speak many languages and you speak

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spanish and french as your third and fourth language

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why did you choose these over all their ancient languages

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you know the ones that similar to chinese like japanese

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and korean

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well honestly

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i don't know too much about japanese and the korean

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but what i can tell is yes the

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chinese language did have much influence over them

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but

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yeah for example this one time i had this korean lady

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who came over to my chinese

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teaching group and when i was teaching about colors you know

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like red blue all of these

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she just told oh

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these are actually

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pretty similar to how we say colors in korean

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was just the tones that were a bit different

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and yes i will emit the chinese and korean and such have really

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the big similarities

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but i do want to say that

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honestly

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sometimes they are very difficult too because of their writing

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and of course

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for japanese you would have to learn

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a different writing system for english

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i just started out

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because okay that was the default thing that you had to learn

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but for spanish in french i picked them because once

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when they were a bit similar to english

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and

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two well

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they were more spoken than japanese

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and korean although i would be interested to learn

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those two languages in the future if i have time

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well it would be due to interest

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and

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not too much for the need of learning the languages

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okay so the reason

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for you to learn a language is to irritate changes on

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how many people speaking it ah well not all it's just that

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a grand part is because of the abbott

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also well interest is what propels you to learn a language

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because if you do not well actually it let me---------------------------------------------------------

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reiterate that so

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it isn't interest it's more need

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like your interest counts as a need because you have to fulfill

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something but generally you have to have a need

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to continue like learning a language

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and yes interest counts as need in this definition

403
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or just someone pushing you on the back

404
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for example your school

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your parents

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or also just a giant grizzly bear who scares you away

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what how did you find it you need it

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you need those two languages

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um wow

410
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yeah one is that i had interest because

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in a lot of films

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i've seen spanish speaking people although they are a bit

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isn't it because of the beautiful ladies

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just like men in thailand's

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i mean the relates of

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no no it wasn't because of that it was more than in these films

417
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i've seen some spanish films

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before too and i thought that

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the culture is really interesting

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and also because yes i had a need for it

421
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yeah because they were more spoken than some other languages

422
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and also it's just yeah i know that

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the way that spanish speaking people are portrayed in films

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is a bit

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saucy

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sorry what saucy a little bit saucy

427
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i don't know but they're a bit like what's the word

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uh huh

429
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you can just disrupt yourself

430
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you don't have to think of a war for it

431
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you can disrupt a lot of things like

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yeah there are connectors of

433
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their real life versions

434
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but sure i did think that the language was interesting

435
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and also why did i find french

436
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the language interesting what because i've always heard that

437
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a lot of the laws in the eu or something

438
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or was it the united

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no it was it was the

440
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yeah but a huge organization

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laws are written in french because it was said to be the most

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language that could be only interpreted in one way

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or something of the sort

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and also yeah they say it's the most romantic language

445
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after learning french i wouldn't

446
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totally agree on that

447
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why i was saying okay okay so my view is this

448
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i wouldn't ever consider one language

449
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much more much more beautiful than other

450
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i mean it's good that you have preferences

451
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perhaps not that well language is that much more romantic

452
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i don't know i just don't feel it

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and i used to join my parents this is a no offense french people

454
00:21:53,100 --> 00:21:59,966
but i mean in the sound is sometimes a bit hard and a bit

455
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not the best sound you could think of

456
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okay good so yeah when you get

457
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used to it i think things will be just footing in normal for

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every everyone

459
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yeah no matter what all language you are learning

460
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okay so the two languages you're learning

461
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are you using the same method

462
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as you did oh okay so you read and you read and listen a lot

463
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oh well you have to get yourself started and

464
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to get yourself started you have a lot of methods one is

465
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actually there has been

466
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let's just put this

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topic aside for

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just one moment as i talk about this one other thing that i

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didn't talk about

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so you know how like i'm guessing probably in taiwan two that

471
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there are a lot of

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schools international schools

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right

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international schools where you can put your children into

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and they'll probably

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just have this english

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education yeah environment all so

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i mean that is one of the methods really

479
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and it's a pretty practical gold method since

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you'll be immersed into the environment

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oh okay immersion

482
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yeah immersions

483
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yeah it just emerging yourself in the environment

484
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that's the quickest

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and sometimes

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a pretty useful way to do that

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but

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i don't know a lot of families don't have that option

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so that is when we sort of have other methods

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but

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i mean all i'm saying is that going into an international school

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is

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a choice is

494
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a thing that you can do that well

495
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not promised you that you'll have great english

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but it is something very useful did you go to one

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no i didn't

498
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i didn't i didn't because

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our normally international schools need their

500
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students to be i won't say rich but i mean it costs a lot for a

501
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the mill income chinese family i would say

502
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but i have a counterpoint here because

503
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i have taught some students they went to international school

504
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they were at international school and their grammar is terrible

505
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how do you say about it

506
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but wait wait alex when did they start going

507
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into the nasa from kindergarten

508
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was it yell enough from kindergarting seriously

509
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but that's wow really uh huh

510
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i didn't expect that really i have met

511
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many international school students and

512
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to be honest their english is all great

513
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to be honest oh maybe

514
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it's because they went to the bilingual one

515
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by all english yeah actually there's one in shian

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i won't

517
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name it

518
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but in that school i think i've had a few friends there so

519
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they say that the school is a bit more leaning into all english

520
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but they have this choice

521
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to study chinese well not a choice it's like

522
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you know how in china

523
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we teach english that's basically

524
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how they teach chinese in that school

525
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but also you have different levels too first so

526
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yeah so you have like native level and

527
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then bit lower and lower depending on which level

528
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you are willing to study too

529
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:30,933
they'll put you in different courses

530
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and the native of course is sorta like how we teach chinese in

531
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normal schools

532
00:25:35,466 --> 00:25:37,566
but that's a complicated and

533
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:39,466
i'm thinking that in different schools

534
00:25:39,466 --> 00:25:41,066
they probably have different methods

535
00:25:41,066 --> 00:25:43,633
but while i'm hearing from you now how

536
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,966
students from international schools have terrible grammar

537
00:25:47,366 --> 00:25:49,700
i can't put my finger to that that doesn't really

538
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make sense to me

539
00:25:50,933 --> 00:25:51,733
but

540
00:25:51,933 --> 00:25:55,633
is there any more details that you might want to bring up hmm

541
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,000
they use english to teach right

542
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:58,700
but

543
00:25:58,700 --> 00:26:01,933
they are modern tongues to chinese they speak chinese at home

544
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,766
so basically they were brought up in chinese

545
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and so they go to school and the teacher teachers in english and

546
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,733
sometimes

547
00:26:14,733 --> 00:26:17,733
they might find it difficult to explain in english because

548
00:26:17,733 --> 00:26:20,933
they their english level is really not that great

549
00:26:21,433 --> 00:26:22,833
so this is kind of

550
00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:25,333
the other kind of yeah no

551
00:26:26,033 --> 00:26:28,000
the teacher has perfect english

552
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,266
she speaks in perfect english

553
00:26:30,266 --> 00:26:34,333
but the students some students they might find it difficult

554
00:26:34,766 --> 00:26:38,133
to understand what and keep up with the teacher

555
00:26:39,533 --> 00:26:42,233
but i mean they started from kindergarten

556
00:26:42,233 --> 00:26:42,666
so

557
00:26:42,666 --> 00:26:45,566
still that doesn't really match up with my previous experience

558
00:26:45,566 --> 00:26:47,866
but that is very interesting language

559
00:26:47,866 --> 00:26:50,133
the what if you have family chinese speaking

560
00:26:50,133 --> 00:26:50,933
but if

561
00:26:51,733 --> 00:26:53,566
dude like you spend

562
00:26:53,733 --> 00:26:55,400
eight hours at school

563
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,766
and you spend what a few hours like three sentences

564
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,600
when you're at 你吃了吗我吃了

565
00:27:02,233 --> 00:27:03,633
and that's me

566
00:27:04,433 --> 00:27:08,233
did you eat i have eaten and i didn't then

567
00:27:08,433 --> 00:27:09,666
i'm going to sleep now

568
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,066
我要睡了

569
00:27:11,166 --> 00:27:15,333
晚安 and literally there's always such sentences

570
00:27:15,333 --> 00:27:18,566
said at home so it doesn't really make much sense to me

571
00:27:18,566 --> 00:27:21,733
but still it's a really interesting language phenomenon

572
00:27:21,900 --> 00:27:25,466
alright yeah so what i know is

573
00:27:25,766 --> 00:27:28,100
people from different fan of backgrounds

574
00:27:28,233 --> 00:27:31,200
produce different results

575
00:27:31,366 --> 00:27:34,600
so i think the family backgrounds have pretty really

576
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,200
the want the matter the most the thing that matters the most

577
00:27:41,533 --> 00:27:42,333
ice

578
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,233
you should probably just send it

579
00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:50,600
to the uk or some other english speaking oh

580
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:53,133
that will even cost more i mean

581
00:27:53,433 --> 00:27:54,900
i've seen a lot of

582
00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:58,100
international schools who serve probably

583
00:27:58,333 --> 00:28:01,166
just the teachers like foreign teachers

584
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,533
working there they have children so they're traveling to

585
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,833
the international school

586
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:07,833
that is basically how all schools in

587
00:28:08,033 --> 00:28:09,566
international schools in chian work

588
00:28:09,566 --> 00:28:13,800
but other cities from every example in the more southern areas

589
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,733
where things are

590
00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,566
where the land is richer well

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Re: 一些语言学习方法--与台湾多语者Alex Shen的访谈

Post by 88922493 »

591
00:28:17,633 --> 00:28:20,233
i wouldn't say the land is richard the cities are richer

592
00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:21,033
i wouldn't say

593
00:28:21,733 --> 00:28:22,933
when it comes to time

594
00:28:23,666 --> 00:28:25,400
those england national students

595
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,933
need to go to the public ones in china

596
00:28:27,933 --> 00:28:29,800
no the state schools

597
00:28:31,233 --> 00:28:33,100
in china so they need to

598
00:28:33,733 --> 00:28:36,600
start grabbing on those things in chinese

599
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:39,233
or those international school students

600
00:28:39,233 --> 00:28:40,566
would just be sent to

601
00:28:40,566 --> 00:28:43,233
other country to the english spin country to study

602
00:28:44,433 --> 00:28:48,500
mmm yeah that's basically what they're binding to do gt gt wow

603
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,266
wow it costs a lot

604
00:28:53,233 --> 00:28:55,466
so for people who don't have

605
00:28:56,633 --> 00:28:59,733
that financial support how cool i would just say

606
00:29:01,766 --> 00:29:04,000
we've completely run off the topic

607
00:29:04,700 --> 00:29:05,533
why do i do

608
00:29:06,633 --> 00:29:08,266
that is a problem language finding

609
00:29:08,266 --> 00:29:10,333
is about language environments

610
00:29:10,966 --> 00:29:12,633
yeah that was really interesting

611
00:29:12,633 --> 00:29:16,033
but for people who aren't so financially well off

612
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:18,533
i want to say that

613
00:29:19,833 --> 00:29:22,433
at first if you want to learn a language-----------------------------------------------------------

614
00:29:23,133 --> 00:29:26,866
be sure that you sort of have this

615
00:29:27,533 --> 00:29:31,400
or you planned out in your head which levels you want to reach

616
00:29:31,700 --> 00:29:33,833
so what do you want to use to language

617
00:29:33,833 --> 00:29:35,000
for in the future for example

618
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,933
if you just want to use the language to-----------------------------------------------------

619
00:29:37,433 --> 00:29:39,833
for example right now you really love

620
00:29:40,233 --> 00:29:43,233
france because you want to visit the eiffel towery and the

621
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,900
love sorry what was the art museum called again i love you

622
00:29:50,333 --> 00:29:52,733
i think i forgot to i

623
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,166
jesus i should know this

624
00:29:57,766 --> 00:30:02,033
i have learned french for a year and sometime i should know this

625
00:30:02,566 --> 00:30:03,900
you know what i'll take it later

626
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:05,500
but it's really

627
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,633
similar to that the boo

628
00:30:08,866 --> 00:30:09,966
the boob is in

629
00:30:11,933 --> 00:30:17,533
well honestly if you just want to travel in this country that is--------------------------------------

630
00:30:18,533 --> 00:30:22,366
one of your needs so if you only need to travel in the country------------------------------------

631
00:30:22,366 --> 00:30:23,333
you don't have to

632
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:25,633
start from listening you just

633
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,866
to join a french course or something

634
00:30:29,266 --> 00:30:31,200
and then just practice really

635
00:30:31,233 --> 00:30:33,966
for a month or two and then you're good off

636
00:30:34,433 --> 00:30:36,233
because you just learn some of

637
00:30:36,233 --> 00:30:41,100
the exact circumstances that you're going to encounter and

638
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,733
bam you're good to go

639
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,966
but if you want to retire perhaps--------------------------------------------------------------------

640
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:49,800
even into business standards or if you want to--------------------------------------------------

641
00:30:50,433 --> 00:30:51,833
converse without

642
00:30:52,266 --> 00:30:55,300
need of worrying not being being able to express

643
00:30:55,366 --> 00:30:57,300
yourself that is another level

644
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,200
but if you want to finally reach a level that is say-----------------------------------------------------

645
00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,233
a linguist or i don't know

646
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,700
someone who can do literature and write

647
00:31:10,133 --> 00:31:11,733
beautiful poems

648
00:31:11,933 --> 00:31:15,033
novels or things in that language that is another thing

649
00:31:15,066 --> 00:31:16,833
so first sort of

650
00:31:18,333 --> 00:31:20,200
plant that in your head because

651
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,866
if you plant it differently----------------------------------------------------------------------------

652
00:31:21,866 --> 00:31:23,700
you'll get different results for example

653
00:31:24,433 --> 00:31:26,400
well my dad always used this example

654
00:31:27,733 --> 00:31:30,333
like if you're building a house-------------------------------------------------------------------------

655
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,733
for example if you're in a farm and you just want to build---------------------------------------

656
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,033
a house with

657
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,833
i don't know three three fours

658
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,600
five meters ducks you don't need to dig a lot to bury your

659
00:31:48,433 --> 00:31:50,066
i know what they vary in there but

660
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,466
i am lost here

661
00:31:52,466 --> 00:31:55,933
but you don't have to do a lot of preparations you just build

662
00:31:56,366 --> 00:31:58,366
the house from ground up

663
00:31:58,566 --> 00:31:59,366
and

664
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:01,333
it will serve the purpose

665
00:32:01,433 --> 00:32:04,166
but if you want to build a skyscraper--------------------------------------------------------------

666
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,500
the story is very different

667
00:32:06,733 --> 00:32:08,900
you have to think about multiple factors

668
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,433
you have to think about okay how far do i have to dig

669
00:32:12,433 --> 00:32:14,933
in order to ensure the buildings

670
00:32:15,166 --> 00:32:16,866
will be stable in the future

671
00:32:16,933 --> 00:32:17,766
and you have to

672
00:32:18,633 --> 00:32:20,900
have multiple thinking about multiple factors

673
00:32:20,933 --> 00:32:22,100
because skyscrapers

674
00:32:22,433 --> 00:32:23,766
what if it gets windy

675
00:32:23,766 --> 00:32:26,000
what if it topples the skyscraper

676
00:32:26,033 --> 00:32:27,966
you'll have to build

677
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:29,000
an entire system

678
00:32:29,133 --> 00:32:31,900
in the skyscraper to ensure that it doesn't happen

679
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,166
so that is really important

680
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,166
just having an idea of what you want to do with the language

681
00:32:38,366 --> 00:32:41,566
and that is that sort of determines

682
00:32:41,566 --> 00:32:43,366
how you want to learn the language

683
00:32:43,366 --> 00:32:45,633
the methods that we have already discussed about

684
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,800
is more of learning to the level of

685
00:32:50,500 --> 00:32:51,733
conversationalist

686
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,766
i would just say that to be able to converse without trouble

687
00:32:54,866 --> 00:32:57,733
but if your need is-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

688
00:32:57,733 --> 00:32:59,133
lower than that or higher than that

689
00:32:59,133 --> 00:33:01,500
you might have to opt for different choices

690
00:33:02,333 --> 00:33:04,800
okay good or build on an existing ones

691
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:08,333
how would you describe your personal situation

692
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,266
but you'd only use that i mean

693
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:11,700
i think

694
00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:17,833
honestly i was aiming for the conversationalist level

695
00:33:18,100 --> 00:33:21,033
so right now i might be struggling

696
00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:23,866
just a tiny little bit because i want to reach a bit higher

697
00:33:25,733 --> 00:33:26,533
but

698
00:33:28,166 --> 00:33:31,033
and my pronunciation is better than most

699
00:33:31,033 --> 00:33:33,433
but still not perfect that is because

700
00:33:33,433 --> 00:33:35,600
when we first started learning english

701
00:33:36,466 --> 00:33:40,633
it was a really funny story but i was sent into a

702
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,166
when i was in kindergarten in primary school

703
00:33:43,166 --> 00:33:44,433
for the first few years

704
00:33:44,433 --> 00:33:46,466
my life panel seventeen years old

705
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:51,100
i was studying english just like every other kid in a shabby

706
00:33:51,633 --> 00:33:52,733
school where

707
00:33:53,633 --> 00:33:57,333
the pronunciation of the teacher isn't that great sorry teacher

708
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,600
that will not name you dear but i thank you a lot

709
00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:01,800
but yes

710
00:34:02,466 --> 00:34:03,866
if you were teaching any---------------------------------------------------------------------------

711
00:34:03,866 --> 00:34:05,466
other chinese children you'd be fine

712
00:34:05,466 --> 00:34:07,133
you'll be the great greatest teacher

713
00:34:07,133 --> 00:34:09,200
but i'm sorry you met me

714
00:34:09,233 --> 00:34:11,766
but yes at that place

715
00:34:12,566 --> 00:34:14,766
i loved it i enjoyed the time dear but

716
00:34:15,166 --> 00:34:20,000
later you're on that determined my pronunciation which wasn't

717
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,166
great at all not at all

718
00:34:22,966 --> 00:34:25,733
that of my pronunciation this day

719
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,300
when he first started english i had to just

720
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,766
rick down the building standing

721
00:34:32,366 --> 00:34:34,733
before the skyscraper in order to build it

722
00:34:34,733 --> 00:34:36,666
and that was a really painful experience

723
00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:40,300
i remember spending bays and bays and bays just

724
00:34:40,566 --> 00:34:42,233
trying to perfect the

725
00:34:42,833 --> 00:34:45,033
l sound or the

726
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,466
sound hmm started over

727
00:34:48,466 --> 00:34:51,400
yes yeah and when i started over

728
00:34:51,433 --> 00:34:53,966
because i was aiming for the conversationalist

729
00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:59,300
i corrected my pronunciation to the point that it was

730
00:34:59,466 --> 00:35:02,100
alright and but not perfect

731
00:35:03,466 --> 00:35:05,900
so if i had gone to perfect at that time

732
00:35:06,166 --> 00:35:08,966
perhaps right now my peninsulation and all would be greater

733
00:35:08,966 --> 00:35:12,533
but why are you pursuing perfectionism why

734
00:35:13,933 --> 00:35:14,733
well

735
00:35:15,566 --> 00:35:16,366
actually

736
00:35:16,833 --> 00:35:19,000
i would love to quote someone but

737
00:35:19,466 --> 00:35:21,533
i'm afraid i can't memorize that

738
00:35:22,133 --> 00:35:25,300
shylan wait what's her name again and karen

739
00:35:26,466 --> 00:35:28,333
yeah karen what karen yeah

740
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,166
name is karen yeah karen yeah karen said

741
00:35:31,166 --> 00:35:33,500
one thing that i totally agree with

742
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,633
you can have someone who speak the language

743
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,633
and you can have someone who

744
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,266
you're comfortable with listening to him for example if

745
00:35:43,566 --> 00:35:48,133
yeah the best case in the thing that i think really matters is

746
00:35:48,466 --> 00:35:49,600
have you ever heard

747
00:35:49,866 --> 00:35:52,600
mark zekerberg speaking mandarin

748
00:35:53,233 --> 00:35:54,466
all right right right

749
00:35:54,666 --> 00:35:55,933
she did yeah that that

750
00:35:56,533 --> 00:35:58,333
yeah yeah she did talk about that and

751
00:35:58,766 --> 00:36:00,933
i think that is the perfect example of course

752
00:36:01,266 --> 00:36:02,833
our pronunciation perhaps

753
00:36:03,166 --> 00:36:05,500
is not as bad as mark zuckerberg

754
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,966
but we're ignoring a lot of the things that makes speech

755
00:36:11,833 --> 00:36:13,766
comfortable to listen to

756
00:36:15,533 --> 00:36:20,866
and in normal chinese of course she listed a bunch of

757
00:36:21,333 --> 00:36:23,766
examples for example the chinese tones

758
00:36:23,766 --> 00:36:26,400
and really in english to the tones are

759
00:36:27,633 --> 00:36:29,966
important that the rhythm of the language

760
00:36:29,966 --> 00:36:32,000
not only is the pronunciation and

761
00:36:33,033 --> 00:36:36,100
the stress but yes the stress and of course

762
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:38,933
not the abbreviations what's called

763
00:36:39,066 --> 00:36:41,366
like you're going to for example in the sentence

764
00:36:45,733 --> 00:36:50,266
for example better better that tp will be a flap t

765
00:36:50,266 --> 00:36:52,033
and also in for example

766
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,400
bad guy bad guy the d will also be

767
00:36:55,466 --> 00:36:58,533
a stop t or something if i remember it correctly

768
00:36:58,633 --> 00:37:00,800
all of these things matter so much

769
00:37:01,566 --> 00:37:04,433
and if you aren't a professional--------------------------------------------------------------------

770
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,366
perfectionalist

771
00:37:06,866 --> 00:37:11,466
sometimes things will go wrong and for example for pronunciation

772
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,966
we would love to see

773
00:37:14,466 --> 00:37:16,733
we would love to hear as mark zubberger

774
00:37:16,833 --> 00:37:19,066
zuckerberg speak in perfect chinese

775
00:37:19,066 --> 00:37:21,266
because we won't have so much trouble

776
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,200
just

777
00:37:22,766 --> 00:37:26,333
understanding him you see it's sort of like that to be

778
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:31,533
a professional like sorry this word is just stuck there but

779
00:37:31,966 --> 00:37:34,833
perfectionalist it means that

780
00:37:35,766 --> 00:37:37,266
you'll be able to

781
00:37:41,266 --> 00:37:42,066
blend in

782
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,533
really and you're going to a bit more like that shit

783
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,200
are you going to

784
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,933
are you going to be a perfect personal in english

785
00:37:49,933 --> 00:37:52,033
or are you going to use it

786
00:37:52,733 --> 00:37:54,533
um i'm leaning

787
00:37:54,733 --> 00:37:58,233
towards using it perhaps to advance more in my studies

788
00:37:58,866 --> 00:38:02,700
but if i will pursue a professional linguist

789
00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:06,733
or just a language worker job in the future

790
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,166
perhaps but right now

791
00:38:10,900 --> 00:38:14,933
i have myself aiming at other priorities

792
00:38:14,933 --> 00:38:17,633
but it is all possible ok

793
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,866
perhaps in ten years we'll see that there is this new

794
00:38:23,133 --> 00:38:25,866
company booming that says okay

795
00:38:25,866 --> 00:38:29,100
jerry's english or something that sounds stupid

796
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:29,900
but

797
00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:31,600
oh my god

798
00:38:33,566 --> 00:38:37,166
but jerry english might be the company that just teaches

799
00:38:37,733 --> 00:38:40,466
in another language right

800
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,400
oh no i mean perhaps but i'm sure at that time

801
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,100
we'll have advanced enough to really

802
00:38:48,066 --> 00:38:50,700
not only have our current methods

803
00:38:50,700 --> 00:38:51,900
but more effective

804
00:38:51,933 --> 00:38:54,900
methods at reaching the conversationalist level

805
00:38:56,366 --> 00:38:58,566
and also talking about the future

806
00:38:58,666 --> 00:38:59,300
i did want

807
00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:02,000
to bring up one more thing that i thought was interesting

808
00:39:02,166 --> 00:39:03,033
to the conversation

809
00:39:03,033 --> 00:39:03,833
which was

810
00:39:04,366 --> 00:39:06,100
what we think about

811
00:39:06,666 --> 00:39:09,900
the future of the language industry

812
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:11,900
really or the language learning

813
00:39:13,033 --> 00:39:15,933
world because i do think that it is

814
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,900
super interesting talk about

815
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:20,700
and sometimes might be a really difficult subject

816
00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:23,800
because we all know that ar are advancing

817
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,066
super well just

818
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,733
rates surprising rates

819
00:39:28,966 --> 00:39:33,766
i would say and the super fast rates that in the future perhaps

820
00:39:33,966 --> 00:39:39,300
ai we already know are going to replace a lot of human workers

821
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,466
but when will it replace languists

822
00:39:42,466 --> 00:39:46,300
or when will it replace your need to learn a language

823
00:39:47,966 --> 00:39:50,000
well my point in my point

824
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,333
of view i think ai is never going to replace a human being

825
00:39:55,733 --> 00:40:00,000
because we have emotional connections emotion and

826
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:03,533
that's the thing ai can replace

827
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,166
because when you are talking right and

828
00:40:07,466 --> 00:40:10,366
when i have talked about you i can feel your love for language

829
00:40:10,366 --> 00:40:12,000
but i can feel that

830
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:13,833
with an ai machine

831
00:40:16,233 --> 00:40:19,000
i mean i have several points to bring up here right now

832
00:40:19,833 --> 00:40:22,533
i see this conversation taking a huge term but

833
00:40:24,166 --> 00:40:28,000
right alex i'm sure that you can feel yourself having

834
00:40:29,033 --> 00:40:30,766
your emotions right

835
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,400
but

836
00:40:33,433 --> 00:40:36,966
do you think i feel do you think i feel emotions

837
00:40:37,133 --> 00:40:38,500
but i liz i feel

838
00:40:39,233 --> 00:40:40,033
i do

839
00:40:40,966 --> 00:40:45,333
yeah yeah okay okay but are you sure that i have emotions

840
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,133
i'm sure because you're smiling

841
00:40:49,700 --> 00:40:52,066
okay okay so what if

842
00:40:52,766 --> 00:40:55,833
i am in ai disguised in

843
00:40:56,633 --> 00:41:02,766
sort of a robotic body a terminator sort of thing oh

844
00:41:03,733 --> 00:41:06,700
that would be great yes but i mean normally

845
00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:10,333
i quote this from another youtuber but it's just that

846
00:41:11,666 --> 00:41:15,500
you are only sure of that you have emotions you have

847
00:41:15,666 --> 00:41:17,066
you are thinking right now

848
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,900
but other people

849
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:21,566
you don't know that you just give them the benefit of the bath

850
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:25,700
and real life my thing for areas

851
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:27,600
i do believe that in the future area

852
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,266
i will be able to replicate

853
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:32,800
human emotions and maybe perhaps even to feel them

854
00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:34,866
i do think that this is

855
00:41:35,633 --> 00:41:38,533
possible but to what degree that is

856
00:41:40,266 --> 00:41:42,566
perhaps even more than humans

857
00:41:42,700 --> 00:41:43,733
but i do believe

858
00:41:43,733 --> 00:41:47,233
that ai will eventually be so advanced that

859
00:41:47,533 --> 00:41:49,933
they'll replace us but if they will ever feel

860
00:41:51,166 --> 00:41:53,266
it is basically unknowable

861
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,533
but if you're saying this it will be a lot of things that are---------------------------------------

862
00:41:59,233 --> 00:42:02,200
applicable to this situations with doctors

863
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,800
they want to do a surgery they can use ai

864
00:42:05,500 --> 00:42:07,266
so they will be ai doctor

865
00:42:07,266 --> 00:42:09,566
doing the surgery so we don't have to do anything

866
00:42:09,966 --> 00:42:11,100
so there's a lot yes

867
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:13,033
that is one of the points that i was thinking of

868
00:42:13,033 --> 00:42:15,700
and this like i said for example

869
00:42:16,133 --> 00:42:18,200
earlier when we're talking in mandarin

870
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,300
we brought up a very interesting thing which was

871
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:27,666
like they're bringing down english from main course to

872
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:30,633
i don't know how to express the sites of course

873
00:42:30,633 --> 00:42:32,233
or something or less important

874
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:34,133
but

875
00:42:34,566 --> 00:42:37,933
in order why because they think english is not that important

876
00:42:37,966 --> 00:42:40,300
but it goes the same for math

877
00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:42,066
okay you're learning so much math right now

878
00:42:42,066 --> 00:42:45,166
but is it applicable for you in the future

879
00:42:45,233 --> 00:42:46,833
are you going to really use it

880
00:42:47,566 --> 00:42:50,066
the question the answer for most is no

881
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:51,100
and

882
00:42:51,366 --> 00:42:52,133
i think this

883
00:42:52,133 --> 00:42:55,166
is a bit similar to what we're talking about right now

884
00:42:55,933 --> 00:42:59,500
if ai will replace basically all drops in the future

885
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:01,266
why we're just worrying about

886
00:43:02,066 --> 00:43:04,966
languages and i do think that is true but

887
00:43:05,466 --> 00:43:06,366
still we still

888
00:43:06,866 --> 00:43:08,333
have to think about if

889
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,700
it is still worth learning language nowadays that in the future

890
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:17,266
ai mind to replace us but but in

891
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,566
the less grim sense

892
00:43:19,566 --> 00:43:21,200
let's just talk about the future

893
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,900
where ai helped us rather than replace us

894
00:43:25,033 --> 00:43:26,700
what do you think that

895
00:43:27,833 --> 00:43:32,200
hmm why do we okay alex why did you learn english tell me

896
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,700
why did i long at english

897
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,000
because i loved it

898
00:43:36,066 --> 00:43:37,800
because the markish area is a lot

899
00:43:37,866 --> 00:43:39,200
if you spit english--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

900
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,966
you can get a lot of you can get more jobs options

901
00:43:43,133 --> 00:43:44,700
and auto people yeah

902
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:47,400
okay thanks but what i was meaning to ask is

903
00:43:47,666 --> 00:43:49,633
how will you use english

904
00:43:49,666 --> 00:43:51,800
if you already know it

905
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:54,500
okay let's say if

906
00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:56,533
you want to learn japanese

907
00:43:56,533 --> 00:43:58,333
okay i'm assuming you don't know japanese

908
00:43:58,333 --> 00:43:59,900
but i don't know anything

909
00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:00,766
but

910
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,166
if you want to learn japanese-------------------------------------------------------------------------

911
00:44:03,233 --> 00:44:05,533
and you want to use japanese for something

912
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:08,366
what ways are you going to use language

913
00:44:08,766 --> 00:44:11,433
what ways i'm going to spigot to

914
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:14,466
a language speaker okay

915
00:44:14,633 --> 00:44:15,433
speaking

916
00:44:16,033 --> 00:44:17,766
speaking and i will read it

917
00:44:17,766 --> 00:44:20,300
i would really try to drop these novels because i

918
00:44:20,366 --> 00:44:21,400
love the language

919
00:44:23,233 --> 00:44:27,133
third and about writing

920
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,966
writing now i like to write

921
00:44:28,966 --> 00:44:32,566
it because it looks beautiful the characters

922
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,533
is just like an art

923
00:44:35,166 --> 00:44:38,566
yeah this looks amazing mm hmm

924
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:41,466
so this is how i do so it's

925
00:44:42,633 --> 00:44:44,933
it's basically oral listening

926
00:44:45,033 --> 00:44:47,733
reading and the writing so these for

927
00:44:48,833 --> 00:44:53,600
ai right now translating apps can already help you accomplish

928
00:44:53,633 --> 00:44:57,700
most of the reading and most of

929
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:00,333
and the writing because

930
00:45:00,333 --> 00:45:02,766
if you read and write you could just translate this stuff over

931
00:45:02,766 --> 00:45:04,300
and the other and i do

932
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:05,800
believe that translate nicknameology

933
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,066
will be strong enough in the future that is sure

934
00:45:08,533 --> 00:45:13,633
so later let's talk about listening and speaking now listening

935
00:45:13,933 --> 00:45:17,333
perhaps ai can help you solve this for your will be these

936
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,266
i don't know let's imagine

937
00:45:19,733 --> 00:45:25,566
magical techno headphones that you wear and translate real time

938
00:45:27,566 --> 00:45:30,000
from one language to another that might solve it

939
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,233
and then perhaps let's just say how will you speak it

940
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:37,933
something will translate real time from you

941
00:45:38,666 --> 00:45:41,633
using your own voice to speak in japanese

942
00:45:42,866 --> 00:45:44,300
like simulating what

943
00:45:44,333 --> 00:45:45,766
would it sound like if

944
00:45:45,833 --> 00:45:49,433
you could speak japanese perfect japanese might i say

945
00:45:49,733 --> 00:45:52,466
okay perhaps that is the future of languages

946
00:45:52,766 --> 00:45:53,700
but still

947
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:59,500
i mean is there intricate is there a value in the journey itself

948
00:46:00,333 --> 00:46:02,500
i've read a novel called the

949
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,966
stormlight archaex and i loved it there was this one thing

950
00:46:05,966 --> 00:46:09,700
and it was a fantasy novel so it said

951
00:46:09,900 --> 00:46:12,900
journey before destination so is the journey

952
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,933
of language or any itself contain value

953
00:46:18,833 --> 00:46:22,500
i mean you can basically say this for every other thing oh is

954
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,800
sort of i don't know

955
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,266
learning to program

956
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,200
learning python

957
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,866
the journey is the journey worth it so

958
00:46:31,966 --> 00:46:33,366
basically i'm talking about

959
00:46:34,300 --> 00:46:36,200
does the journey worth

960
00:46:36,266 --> 00:46:38,600
is the journey worth more than the destination

961
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,500
i mean this we're going into a philosophical perspective but

962
00:46:44,133 --> 00:46:45,433
it's okay but

963
00:46:45,933 --> 00:46:48,700
well what do you think about it you're learning python right

964
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:52,566
you're learning computing languages right now

965
00:46:53,300 --> 00:46:56,833
oh yeah and honestly we created

966
00:46:58,100 --> 00:46:59,800
a file and in it

967
00:47:00,066 --> 00:47:01,800
it was languages and

968
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,800
we accidentally wrote down music

969
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,733
chinese english french spanish and python

970
00:47:07,733 --> 00:47:09,066
and something so in this case

971
00:47:09,066 --> 00:47:10,366
we're sort of considering

972
00:47:10,500 --> 00:47:14,233
all of these as languages and basically what's not alex

973
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,100
this is getting fun but

974
00:47:20,266 --> 00:47:24,100
the python yeah python is a hard language learn isn't it

975
00:47:25,966 --> 00:47:28,000
honestly i am learning python

976
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,966
but only a little

977
00:47:28,966 --> 00:47:32,500
but i'm just basically if i want to achieve something

978
00:47:32,666 --> 00:47:35,933
i search for how to do it on the internet and piece

979
00:47:36,366 --> 00:47:37,600
together coats

980
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:42,700
basically because honestly learning another computing language

981
00:47:43,233 --> 00:47:47,000
that is hard and currently i don't have too much time for that

982
00:47:47,333 --> 00:47:50,500
uh huh i was listening to this podcast called

983
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,433
joss hopper and joshua

984
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,433
and there was one guest

985
00:47:55,633 --> 00:48:00,000
writing a letter to the host and it was about him

986
00:48:00,633 --> 00:48:04,633
wanted to give up computer languages because he

987
00:48:05,533 --> 00:48:08,866
wanted to study it but there was no one with him

988
00:48:09,566 --> 00:48:10,200
because

989
00:48:10,233 --> 00:48:13,366
when you are going to the next level in computer language

990
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:14,566
you need

991
00:48:15,566 --> 00:48:18,066
an experienced person

992
00:48:18,466 --> 00:48:20,333
someone who has that experience

993
00:48:20,333 --> 00:48:22,400
so you can talk with him and discuss

994
00:48:22,733 --> 00:48:27,633
but later he couldn't find it so he went to language learning

995
00:48:27,633 --> 00:48:32,366
he learned spanish and english and other languages

996
00:48:32,366 --> 00:48:35,166
so he could find a lot of language fellows

997
00:48:35,166 --> 00:48:37,166
fellow fellow fellowships

998
00:48:38,066 --> 00:48:40,133
and that is one of the things

999
00:48:40,133 --> 00:48:42,266
that's interesting about language learning

1000
00:48:42,266 --> 00:48:45,800
i'm saying just language speaking language learning

1001
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,100
is that we sort of have this highest standard

1002
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:50,566
we have that we

1003
00:48:50,566 --> 00:48:53,033
have it for example if you're trying to learn english

1004
00:48:55,733 --> 00:48:56,533
i don't know

1005
00:48:57,700 --> 00:48:58,533
english person

1006
00:48:58,733 --> 00:49:01,233
or just an american canadian

1007
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,100
would how to speak like them

1008
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,500
would be sort of your highest standard

1009
00:49:05,566 --> 00:49:08,966
and if someone who was learning mandarin to speak like me

1010
00:49:08,966 --> 00:49:11,166
would be the highest standard

1011
00:49:11,366 --> 00:49:12,933
and we have this highest standard

1012
00:49:12,966 --> 00:49:15,266
highest standard but for music and

1013
00:49:15,566 --> 00:49:19,333
veritabel programming languages we might not have that

1014
00:49:19,533 --> 00:49:22,466
so that is one of the things that's interesting about this too

1015
00:49:23,666 --> 00:49:25,900
i think we're bringing up a lot more questions than

1016
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:26,733
we're answering

1017
00:49:26,733 --> 00:49:30,633
but what's the default in that yeah right

1018
00:49:30,866 --> 00:49:32,833
you can bring those fuckers to other people

1019
00:49:32,833 --> 00:49:34,700
and discuss about those issues

1020
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:39,433
oh yeah have you sneaky about it now right

1021
00:49:39,866 --> 00:49:41,766
in the end okay this is the end

1022
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:47,400
can you give some suggestions and other opinions to those

1023
00:49:47,433 --> 00:49:50,433
who are still struggling those language learners

1024
00:49:51,966 --> 00:49:57,866
hmm yes interesting question i would say first a step one

1025
00:49:59,266 --> 00:50:01,366
why think about this question

1026
00:50:01,533 --> 00:50:03,533
why are you learning this language

1027
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,800
and if your answer is somewhat clear if you are--------------------------

1028
00:50:10,466 --> 00:50:11,566
interested in it

1029
00:50:11,666 --> 00:50:15,833
or just basically i don't know it needed for your work

1030
00:50:15,833 --> 00:50:17,733
you have propulsion that's good

1031
00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:19,166
and second step

1032
00:50:20,066 --> 00:50:20,866
just

1033
00:50:22,933 --> 00:50:25,366
tell yourself or just figure out yourself

1034
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,333
where do i want to go with this language

1035
00:50:28,433 --> 00:50:32,800
do i want to achieve something really really great for example

1036
00:50:33,933 --> 00:50:38,500
do you want to be a conversationalist or tourist or i don't know

1037
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:41,666
linguist or

1038
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,166
litter writer

1039
00:50:44,733 --> 00:50:48,766
something sort and once you have established that

1040
00:50:49,433 --> 00:50:51,966
then you have to decide on

1041
00:50:52,500 --> 00:50:56,433
a system of learning for example if you want to---------------------------------------------------

1042
00:50:56,766 --> 00:50:59,466
do a lot more input than shadowing

1043
00:50:59,566 --> 00:51:02,366
sure go with it and if you want to do shadowing more--------------------------------------------

1044
00:51:02,466 --> 00:51:06,533
go with it or if you're just wanting to forget for---------------------------------------------------

1045
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,766
the environment and learn

1046
00:51:09,766 --> 00:51:11,700
like translating everything

1047
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:14,666
just that you hear and memorizing words

1048
00:51:15,266 --> 00:51:19,733
go for it it really depends what method you use depends on a lot

1049
00:51:19,833 --> 00:51:21,000
more than

1050
00:51:21,633 --> 00:51:23,700
a lot on where you're going

1051
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:28,400
than most people realize so after you snatch up a method

1052
00:51:28,966 --> 00:51:31,033
go do it and don't go

1053
00:51:31,033 --> 00:51:31,933
trying to find

1054
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,933
new ways of learning language

1055
00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:36,800
every day if you know something works go with it--------------------------------------------------

1056
00:51:37,100 --> 00:51:40,900
because if it doesn't work go to somebody and

1057
00:51:42,166 --> 00:51:44,433
who has already have learned this way and

1058
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:45,766
ask them for experience

1059
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,233
now it's sort of like that and finally of course

1060
00:51:51,033 --> 00:51:53,166
talk with other people who are learning the language

1061
00:51:53,166 --> 00:51:54,533
really to be alone

1062
00:51:54,633 --> 00:51:56,266
in the community is

1063
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,533
not a smart thing to do

1064
00:51:58,633 --> 00:52:01,600
there are other people share your experiences with them

1065
00:52:01,833 --> 00:52:05,500
talk about how to make things more effective

1066
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:10,066
okay whatever they can find a purpose

1067
00:52:10,466 --> 00:52:12,600
they don't find a reason to do that

1068
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,100
then if they don't find a purpose to do that

1069
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,266
why are they doing it no

1070
00:52:19,100 --> 00:52:21,566
but just like we have the gal call

1071
00:52:22,466 --> 00:52:24,633
oh yeah then that's a purpose

1072
00:52:24,866 --> 00:52:26,866
your purpose is to

1073
00:52:28,533 --> 00:52:32,233
smash goku your purpose is no not the smash don't like

1074
00:52:32,700 --> 00:52:35,700
to just ace that's goku ace

1075
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,933
okay yeah exam entrance exam yes

1076
00:52:41,500 --> 00:52:42,300
so

1077
00:52:42,933 --> 00:52:45,233
that's the purpose fighting a purpose

1078
00:52:45,233 --> 00:52:47,666
and you do it so if you really in english--------------------------------------------------------------

1079
00:52:47,666 --> 00:52:49,600
you can just see

1080
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:51,766
why you need it and just

1081
00:52:52,566 --> 00:52:54,600
and or if you can't see--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1082
00:52:55,033 --> 00:52:55,666
i mean

1083
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it is a harder requirement to have someone to push at you

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for example in school someone is pushing at you

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this is not the most effective method

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but if it really comes to that find someone to push you

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all

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right yeah need a pusher

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yeah

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just a lot of students they do need a pusher

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at this moment of time

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yeah also okay so one last thing about language learning

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and really about learning

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anything in general so if you wanted to------------------------------------------------------------

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have a continual

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interest and as a propulsion and energy

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you need to achieve something really and

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this is talking about some

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so do you know the

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set of goal and to accomplish it that is really

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important

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and

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for setting a goal

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while you will need multiple methods for example the

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smart method and the

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everything else method and after accomplishing it you'll feel

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empowered and

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you'll push yourself to do more

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and you have a constant feedback loop

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sometimes it depends on the person but most are

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in need of a constant feedback group

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hmm how did you find your purpose or goal

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walt your purpose and goal comes from your need and i

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had the need of being able to watch

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a television series that i wanted to watch

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but does not have chinese subtitles or anything oh

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okay

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well cart that's part

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but yeah just giving up an example oh yes right okay good

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all right so that is pretty much of it

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thank you for coming to my show

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and i'm so happy to have you here

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thanks so much alex and

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well if you oh right i'm doing an advertise------------------------------------------------------------

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advertise for myself too well if you're interested contact me-------------------------------------

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and i don't know i'm not interested in business but

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just you know

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but if someone wants to path me

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over or come to my chinese the group

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the chinese english exchange the group do come and

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i'm sure you'll learn a lot there too thanks alex and

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could you just skip more

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to be more specific what services are you offering

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oh not services or anything where we just have a group of

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chinese english exchanging

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and it's a great group check it out

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and

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join the group if you want-------------------------------------------------------------------------

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and also i'll be glad if anyone wants to

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talk with me about linguist problems or anything me

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and if anyone wants to

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perhaps do a collaboration with me

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well message me and i'll think about it

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so thanks alex for this podcast yeah thank you

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early appreciated thank you

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中文中,用 “你” 打比方?
"if you" in English?

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大人告诉我说:蜜蜂轻易不螫人,准是误以为你要伤害它

喝着这样的好蜜, 你会觉得生活都是甜的呢
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你------>我们,咱们

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现代汉语人称代词移情用法研究

https://www.doc88.com/p-0522326640832.html?r=1

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Re: 一些语言学习方法--与台湾多语者Alex Shen的访谈

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如何访谈中提出好问题

回答:提出好问题是需要知识储备的。没有哪个记者去采访,不用做功课就能问出好的问题。所以如果你觉得不知道如何向一个人提问,很有可能问题出在,你对对方的领域了解得还不够多。

那么,第一步就是先做功课。等功课做扎实了,有一些提问技巧是可以用的。我在这里分享三个:

1. 如果你想提相对尖锐的问题,可以考虑切换人称,用“带入式提问”。

比如说,你给一个律师提问说,你觉得你的工作会被人工智能替代吗?这个问题本身是在挑战对方的现状,可能会让人变得Defensive,有防御性。

但如果你切换人称,你可以问,“假如我是从事您的工作,看到人工智能发展得这么快,我可能会很担忧我自己的工作是否会被替代。不知道您有没有这样的感受呢?”这样对方会感觉,你俩是站在统一战线讨论问题的。

2. 还有一种提问方式,是“复述式提问”。

假设前面对方已经说了不少信息,你希望继续探讨一个话题,但又不知道如何提问,那么你可以用自己的语言,把对方的内容精炼地总结一下,然后问,“您说的是这个意思吗?我理解对了吗?”

如果你总结得很准确甚至很精彩,对方会觉得,找到知音了,这个人真的听懂了,那么接下来,他可能会进一步打开话匣子。

3. 在做访谈即将结束之际,我总会追问一句:“今天我们讨论的话题,还有什么您觉得我应该关注,但是刚才却没有问到的?”这个问题有助于拓展你们谈话的边界。

作者:陀思妥耶夫司机大师傅
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